Gaza Synagogues burned by mobs

[gnjsdad]

gnjsdad:

You do a great job calling statements of those you disagree with “flawed” and “illogical”, without ever providing a shred of supporting argumentation :yawn:

thestickman:

Been proven over and again in past threads.

Glad you’re able to acknowledge your shortcomings with a sense of humor. You’re making progress. Now, as they say, the proof is in the pudding. Let’s see some further improvement by actually making an argument rather than relying on unfounded accusations.

gnjsdad:

Why is it that the entire civilized world, which includes first and foremost the Vatican, and also includes many Israelis, can see the merit of the Palestinian cause and the need for a just settlement to this dispute, except for those like you?

thestickman:

The entire civilized world doesn’t accept terrorism as a means for these former Jordanians & Egyptians to be given their own state.

Someone as adept at logic and spotting fallacious assertions as yourself ought to know that this is a prime example. You must work to curb the bigotry and hatred you feel toward the Palestinian people. Nobody who sees that the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance condones terrorist tactics. Pope John Paul II spoke eloquently of the plight of the Palestinians. I suppose that under your “logic”, that means Pope John Paul II supported terrorism. Your bigotry lies in your equation of the just aspirations of the Palestinian people with terrorism. You also seem unable to acknowledge the Palestinians a a people. This is the essencce of bigotry.

thestickman:

Merit? These same peoples were offered their own land/state in 1948 and refused. Merit?

The Palestinians in Gaza are the descendants of those who were forced from their homes when Israel was founded in 1948. This original injustice is something many Jews acknowledge and many are trying to come to grips with.

 

[thestickman]

gnjsdad:

Glad you’re able to acknowledge your shortcomings with a sense of humor.

Another error of fact. Your assertions regarding the so-called Palestinians are false. It’s been proven time and again in other threads.

You must work to curb the bigotry and hatred you feel toward the Palestinian people.

A deliberate error of fact. In this thread and others I have shared the reality I do not hate anyone.

Nobody who sees that the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance condones terrorist tactics.

Pope John Paul II spoke eloquently of the plight of the Palestinians.

He sure did. The poverty they’ve been forced to suffer while Arafat and Co pocketed billions of dollars is horrible.

I suppose that under your “logic”, that means Pope John Paul II supported terrorism.

Your bigotry lies in your equation of the just aspirations of the Palestinian people with terrorism.

2 errors of fact tied together. Now perhaps if you can draw some lines of seperation between Hamas, Al-Aqsa and the people who lived under the thumb of Arafat who may or may not have legitimate aspirations you* might* have an argument to make.

You also seem unable to acknowledge the Palestinians a a people. This is the essencce of bigotry.

Trying to pass off a historical inaccuracy as a fact is the essence of dishonesty.

The Palestinians in Gaza are the descendants of those who were forced from their homes when Israel was founded in 1948. This original injustice is something many Jews acknowledge and many are trying to come to grips with.

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights. *“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” *

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

*“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”
*

 

[gnjsdad]

thestickman:

He sure did. The poverty they’ve been forced to suffer while Arafat and Co pocketed billions of dollars is horrible.

On his visit to Bethlehem, Pope John Paul II said…


The Palestinian people have the natural right to a homeland**John Paul II **
*“No-one can ignore how much the Palestinian people have had to suffer in recent decades. Your torment is before the eyes of the world. And it has gone on for too long,” the Pope said in a speech at a welcoming ceremony attended by the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat. *

*On his arrival in Bethlehem, he was presented with a bowl of earth, which he kissed. *

*A Palestinian homeland **The Pope said the Vatican had always recognised that the Palestinian people “have the natural right to a homeland, and the right to be able to live in peace and tranquillity with the other peoples of this area”. *

*“In the international forum, my predecessors and I have repeatedly proclaimed that there would be no end to the sad conflict in the Holy Land without stable guarantees for the rights of all the peoples involved, on the basis of international law and the relevant United Nations resolutions and declarations,” the Pontiff said. *
The Pope called for courage, compromise and “compliance with the demands of justice”

As far as I am aware, the Pope said nothing about corruption being the real cause of the Palestinians’ plight. Besides, corruption is a very thin reed on which to base an argument because there is no place on earth that is not marred with corruption of some sort. You cannot legitimately claim that corruption is a uniquely Palestinian phenomenon.

 

[thestickman]

gnjsdad:

As far as I am aware, the Pope said nothing about corruption being the real cause of the Palestinians’ plight. Besides, corruption is a very thin reed on which to base an argument because there is no place on earth that is not marred with corruption of some sort.

Arafat and Co did keep billions in aid for themselves instead of using it to develop an economy and basic services like they were supposed to do. T’aint an argument. It’s a fact

You cannot legitimately claim that corruption is a uniquely Palestinian phenomenon.

Wasn’t trying to. Never suggested it. Never hinted at it.

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights. *“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” *

*"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "*

*"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."*

 

[gnjsdad]

thestickman:

Arafat and Co did keep billions in aid for themselves instead of using it to develop an economy and basic services like they were supposed to do. T’aint an argument. It’s a fact

Wasn’t trying to. Never suggested it. Never hinted at it.

This isn’t a reference to corruption?

 

[JOHNYJ]

The Jews have some historic right to Israel,there was an Israel in ancient times.
There was no Palestinian state ! the peaceniks have very short memories, There was israel,Egypt,Jordan & Syria .No palestine. The Arabs kept the palestinians in refugee camps .They kept them in squalor as an iritant to Israel. They were the poor dumb merceneries of the Arab nations.If the Arabs had cared at all about the palestinians.They wuld have absorbed them into their countries.

 

[thestickman]

gnjsdad:

This isn’t a reference to corruption?

Yep. However, it’s not an assertion that “You cannot legitimately claim that corruption is a uniquely Palestinian phenomenon”, is it?

Another fallacious argument goes up in smoke

Meanwhile, you can continue to ignore it, but I’m going to post it anyway.

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights. *“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” *

 *"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "*

 *"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."*