Gender of priests

[po18guy]

Warning!!! Nits to be picked. Gender? That applies to languages., i.e. German nouns are masculaine: Der Herr; feminine: Die Frau; and Neuter: Das Kind.

Humans have a sex. We do not have “genderized reproduction”, we have sexual reproduction. We do not possess gender organs.

This pop culture “gender” stuff needs to go away - back to the world of linguistics.

Over and out.

 

[Vico]

I am not sure if this is the appropriate forum for my query. According to canon 1024 of the code of canon law :“only a baptised man can validly receive sacred ordination”. That means that even if a woman were ordained, her ordination would be invalid. My question is : there was a priest in Italy who had a sex change. After the sex change, did he/she remain validly ordained or not?

Holy Orders marks the soul with an indelible mark of character.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

How do you know Halogirl lives on the Isle of Wight ?

IOW means “In Other Words”, not Isle of Wight.

 

[Vico]

So which determines validity for ordination, genotype or phenotype; or is this an impediment either way? [i.e. Canon law would make it illicit, but could it still be valid?]

Production of and sensitivity to testosterone will determine the sexual development of functional male reproductive system rather than strictly using XX or XY and note that some have mixed and unusual genetic material.

 

[JanR]

Wesrock:

There are people born perfectly female with XY genes, and there are other non-standard combinations.

If you are referring to women — and they are women — with androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), they are not exactly “perfectly female”. They do not have ovaries, and I think I am correct in saying this, they don’t have a uterus either. Otherwise, they are entirely female, and there are no visual clues to the contrary. Nothing is obviously “wrong” until they reach adolescence and end up never having periods. It is at that time, that they go to a gynecologist and discover the truth. As an aside, they are often very striking, elegant, lovely women.

I have heard of this, and also of a case where a male was discovered to possess a uterus and ovaries, i.e., female reproductive organs. His parents were very angry when the doctor informed them of this.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

Wesrock:

There are people born perfectly female with XY genes, and there are other non-standard combinations.

If you are referring to women — and they are women — with androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS), they are not exactly “perfectly female”. They do not have ovaries, and I think I am correct in saying this, they don’t have a uterus either. Otherwise, they are entirely female, and there are no visual clues to the contrary. Nothing is obviously “wrong” until they reach adolescence and end up never having periods. It is at that time, that they go to a gynecologist and discover the truth. As an aside, they are often very striking, elegant, lovely women.

I have heard of this, and also of a case where a male was discovered to possess a uterus and ovaries, i.e., female reproductive organs. His parents were very angry when the doctor informed them of this.

Angry at the doctor? That doesn’t make sense.

Intersex just happens. But if I found out I had a uterus and ovaries (which would really be a hat trick, in that I have a 13-year-old son, and my wife gave birth to him, not me ), I’d have them removed. I’d want to be “all man” both psychologically and physically, to the extent the latter were possible. Doctors can do wonders these days — not condoning this, but elective reassignment surgery has gotten so good, very often you would never know.