Gender pronouns in the workplace

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JoyToTheWhirled said:
There is precious little research into the off label usage of blockers, and the consequences even for children who have been prescribed them for precocious puberty are just coming to light as people are being left with serious long term damage.
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Yes, thank you for saying this. In the discussions I have participated in and in the documentaries I have seen about “transgender” children, this not seriously discussed. Often it will be pointed out in a vague way that we don’t know all the long-term effects, which is true–but actually we do know enough that it is scary; and I can’t imagine any parent would put his child on these drugs if these facts were better known.

From the article above that I posted:
Valerie Ward, 25, who lives outside of Pittsburgh, said she took Lupron for precocious puberty, from age 9 to 12. Like Derricott, Ward said she sees a carousel of medical specialists for excruciating muscle and bone pain, depression, weakness and fatigue.

The symptoms mystify each woman’s doctors. Yet they sound all too familiar to Chandler Marrs, a researcher who has studied Lupron’s side effects in adult women under treatment for uterine disorders.

Marrs, an endocrine specialist who studies women’s health, said she was surprised by the severity and duration of Lupron’s side effects, so she posted a survey aimed at getting more information. With little funding to do outreach, more than 1,000 surveys came back.

The women reported a wide range of symptoms: 30 percent cited severe joint pain, 29 percent, severe body aches; 26 percent, cracking teeth, and 20 percent reported osteoporosis. More than half reported moderate to life-threatening depression. Fifteen percent of the women rated their suicidal thoughts as life-threatening to severe.

Marrs believes a uniting factor explains the diverse and severe range of symptoms. Lupron cuts off a woman’s estrogen, eliminating a key hormone called estradiol that regulates the energy centers of the cell, the mitochondria. She said the missed connection between the hormone and cellular powerhouse will hurt each woman where her body is most vulnerable.

“If your mitochondria break down, your nerves start to break down, if your nerves start to break down, your muscles break down. It’s the cascade of effects,” said Marrs, chief executive of the Nevada-based Lucine Health Sciences research firm.
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Women fear drug they used to halt puberty led to health problems

Despite questions about Lupron’s lasting side effects and minimal study into its safety, the FDA sped approval of the drug to market.
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I’m not even an endocrinologist and know that Lupron given to a kid can’t be a good idea.

This is the same idiotic FDA that said it will be dangerous to allow dying people - people for whom modern medicine has no further answers - to try experimental drugs because “it might cause them harm”.

Sigh. Most of the time they’re beyond indefensible.
 
LOL.

This person was assuredly female, and when she answered the phone, she DID (I realized a few moments later) introduce herself - then I stupidly turned around and asked for the same person.

She sort of laughed (not unkindly) and said, “You weren’t expecting a woman, were you? It’s okay, it happens all the time.”

I. Felt. Terrible.
 
Alex337 said:
It seems more viable to fix the body than the brain. And if a person’s brain reflects one gender I kinda think it more important than the body. After all the brain really defines who we are; I mean if I had to choose between suffering some malady that deformed my body or one that altered my brain I’d want my brain to remain the same.
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This is essentially a version of neo-Gnosticism. (At the risk of oversimplifying, the Gnostics believed that the spirit was good and the body was bad. They exalted the spirit over the body. Your view does the same thing, if we only replace “spirit” with “brain.”) The fact that you subscribe to this view explains why you differ with Catholic views on this subject. Catholic belief says that we are composed of both body and soul, and that both are important and good, and that both are an essential part of who we are.
 
Yes indeed. It is quite breathtaking, the way these things are waved away.

I have lost my temper on this thread, and I’m not overly proud of that, but I’m afraid I do tend to see red when the genuinely vulnerable and confused are sold lies with no regard to real life consequences. I have seen the damage in my own family of this ideology, and thus have a hair trigger on the matter.
For the record, there was a point that I would accept and acquiesce to a polite request for pronoun usage that was out of the ordinary, just as I would accommodate a name change. But unfortunately, as the discussion here has illustrated, acceptance of language manipulation is part and parcel of a worldview I think is dangerous. George Orwell was bang on the money when he talked about language and thought control in 1984.
I will likely still be polite in face to face interactions with transpeople, but I will do so simply because I am English and we say sorry when people bump into us, not because I think it is possible for someone who is born one sex to become another.
 
Not in the least - I thought it was funny. 🙂 I actually did LOL!

Ah, the Internet obscures many intents…
 
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I agree with you. That is where all of the problems arise from.

Male and Female are black and white. You are either one or the other. There is no third option.

God settled this debate a very long time ago, and I can’t imagine that He is happy that others are deciding to relitigate it.
 
anon64350612 said:
Exactly. A woman is not a man with his penis removed.
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The sad thing is that we live in a world where we have to say this. If you told me 10 years ago that I would be discussing this, I would have called you a loon. Today, I guess the world has become loons. How did we ever allow this to happen, and how do we fix it?

Even discussing it makes me feel like a loon.
 
The bathroom issue was honestly never a big deal to me. I don’t care who you are - do your business, stay clean, stay out of trouble. But you raise some interesting points that I’ll have to consider.

I appreciate the unisex family bathrooms - great for either sex to change babies’ diapers and help small children.
 
FirstFiveEighth said:
If you are cutting off your breasts because you don’t like them and not for a medical reason like, if you don’t get a mastectomy you have a high chance of dieing from cancer, then yeah, that is mutilation.

And yes, disphoria is a legitimate mental issue. However, you claimed that it could very well be that the problem is not, in fact, a mental disorder, but a persons actual, physical body is the wrong body. A person cannot have the “wrong body”. It is impossible. Your body is your body and the body you were supposed to have. To claim otherwise is complete pseudoscience.
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Mine is primarily because I dislike them and they cause me a great deal of anxiety. Seems like a medical reason to me. It’ll also help prevent cancer and my back problems, which is a nice side effect.

And peoples bodies being flawed is just science, not all bodies are how they should be.
 
Yes, I think some unisex places are very useful, undoubtedly. And privacy for everyone needs to be respected full stop.

Thanks for engaging. 🙂
 
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Alex337:
It seems more viable to fix the body than the brain. And if a person’s brain reflects one gender I kinda think it more important than the body. After all the brain really defines who we are; I mean if I had to choose between suffering some malady that deformed my body or one that altered my brain I’d want my brain to remain the same.
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This is essentially a version of neo-Gnosticism. (At the risk of oversimplifying, the Gnostics believed that the spirit was good and the body was bad. They exalted the spirit over the body. Your view does the same thing, if we only replace “spirit” with “brain.”) The fact that you subscribe to this view explains why you differ with Catholic views on this subject. Catholic belief says that we are composed of both body and soul, and that both are important and good, and that both are an essential part of who we are.
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Both are important and good. Both can also be flawed. But if I were to have to choose one to be faulty I’d prefer it to be my body.
 
I can’t imagine He would care. I can imagine Him caring about people being treated with scorn and hate though.
 
HolySpirit said:
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anon64350612:
Exactly. A woman is not a man with his penis removed.
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The sad thing is that we live in a world where we have to say this. If you told me 10 years ago that I would be discussing this, I would have called you a loon. Today, I guess the world has become loons. How did we ever allow this to happen, and how do we fix it?

Even discussing it makes me feel like a loon.
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Being a transwoman is about a lot more than surgery. These women live as women, they fight to be recognised as women, they are women.
 
VintageRose said:
Where I’ve worked for 19 years, we are now being encouraged to add “gender pronouns” to our office email signature. I’m a 67 year old Catholic lady and had never dealt with this until last month. My gender pronouns would be “her” and “she.” This all seems so ridiculous, and I’ve no intention of following suit. Curious, has anyone here faced this situation in their place of work…? Thank you for your thoughts.

Update: Today I was informed these are “preferred gender pronouns,” (PGP). A lady in our organization goes by the PGP of “they” and “them.” Management is hoping to build a more inclusive environment. We’re encouraged to add our own PGP in our office email signature, along with our workplace logo.
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I would like to be called greatnhonorable sir. I find it very distressing that no one is taking me serious!
 
It’s funny that the only folks who ever seem to make weird demands when these things are brought up are the ones trying to mock.
 
Alex337 said:
It’s funny that the only folks who ever seem to make weird demands when these things are brought up are the ones trying to mock.
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See more mocking from those who would pretend to be inclusive!
 
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