General Tendency among anti-Trad posters

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ProVobis said:
I don’t think that’s your call to make. The Vatican can impose any restrictions it wants, just or unjust.
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I agree wholeheartedly. But at this point, such has not been imposed by the Vatican.

So it is merely the opinion of a poster, to which my response is that said opinion is an unjust attempt to restrict the number of Communion-goers to satisfy someone’s disdain for EMHCs.
 
I suppose I shall make a quick comment and be done with it.

“Traditional Catholic,” in one sense, must be a term which denotes all faithful and believing Catholics, because the entirety of Catholic doctrine come from Tradition. Even belief that the Pope has the authority to change (small-t) traditions stems from Tradition.

In another sense, “Traditional Catholic” could refer to certain groups of Catholics who hold to a tradition, whatever that tradition might be– whether it is praying to the Sacred Heart, the Litany of Humility, Eucharistic Adoration, some local tradition, or post-Vatican II tradtitions. There aren’t many I know of, because VII was a relatively brief time ago.

Then there is another sense of “Traditional Catholic” which denotes someone who prefers the older form of Mass and perhaps the older form of other devotions, for instance, a fifteen decade rosary.

There is yet another sense of the term which denotes someone who is opposed to the Liturgical Reforms of Vatican Two.

So you see, the question or accusation as to whether or not a person is a Traditional Catholic is devoid of meaning, becuase whoever is speaking gets to define the term (since there is no dogmatically defined definition, and no universally accepted definition).

It’s semantics, pure and simple.
 
consumedconvert said:
Oh good grief!

Did not Saint Francis tell his Brothers that if he knew that a Priest had spent the last night in adultery, he would take Holy Communion from his hands?

Besides, you don’t even know this man. That was a nasty and unjustifiable thing to say.
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Sure and Saint Francis was speaking of a priest not a lay person. I don’t know this man I just know what he says and how he says it. But, then I only receive communion given by an ordained priest so I can’t judge if I would or not.
 
Mr. Spiller, Forgive me if I offend you, but it does seem as though your intent is to stir up arguments. Please tell me I am wrong. As a new Forum member, I try to learn from these posts and they just get off track over and over. I notice your name jumping in quite a bit. Perhaps you can explain just what it is you believe as I am jumping into the middle of these debates.
 
piouswoman said:
Explain please. You can’t make statements based on what you would like to think, or to cause harm. You must base them on reality.
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They are. The SSPX is all about dissent. Doing what one wants to do no matter what the Church actually teaches/directs/allows. The SSPX has recently given some good insight into just focused they are on themselves…
 
jeanannemarie said:
Mr. Spiller, Forgive me if I offend you, but it does seem as though your intent is to stir up arguments. Please tell me I am wrong. As a new Forum member, I try to learn from these posts and they just get off track over and over. I notice your name jumping in quite a bit. Perhaps you can explain just what it is you believe as I am jumping into the middle of these debates.
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Why did you even post this? It added no value to the thread. I responded quite clearly to the OP.

If you want my position on a specific point, please tell me which one(s.)
 
ethelzguy said:
Very simple…because of the “irregular standing” of the SSPX. That’s about as simple as it gets.
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Then you need to correct you statement to “I have ONE anti-traditionalist bone in my body”.
 
Spiller said:
They are. The SSPX is all about dissent. Doing what one wants to do no matter what the Church actually teaches/directs/allows. The SSPX has recently given some good insight into just focused they are on themselves…
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Anyone who is a just person, will read the complete history of the SSPX, the Council, the history leading up to the consecrations, and the life of Archbishop LeFebvre. If you haven’t, and you make statements such as you have then you are spreading falsehoods and doing harm simply out of hatred and arrogance. I would never feel good about myself doing that.
 
Spiller said:
They are. The SSPX is all about dissent. Doing what one wants to do no matter what the Church actually teaches/directs/allows. The SSPX has recently given some good insight into just focused they are on themselves…
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Well, see the bolded? The modernists have just been described.
 
ethelzguy said:
How about the tradition of obedience? eh, Archbishop Lefebre?
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Since when has false obedience been a tradition? Eh, SAINT Athanasius?

If the Pope ordered you to do jumping jacks during the Consecration, would you have to obey?
 
piouswoman said:
Well, see the bolded? The modernists have just been described.
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And this, friends and fellow debaters is why it is SO unlikely that the SSPX will be brought into full Communion with Rome. They are fully convinced that THEY are right, and ROME is wrong.
 
VivatJesus said:
Since when has false obedience been a tradition? Eh, SAINT Athanasius?

If the Pope ordered you to do jumping jacks during the Consecration, would you have to obey?
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He likely wouldn’t…nice try though…reminds me of a Smothers Brothers routine…

Jumping Jacks at Consecration and forbidden ordinations hardly compare.
 
ethelzguy said:
And this, friends and fellow debaters is why it is SO unlikely that the SSPX will be brought into full Communion with Rome. They are fully convinced that THEY are right, and ROME is wrong.
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And I am fully convinced that people such as yourself wouldn’t know what to do with yourselves if Tradition won out in the end…you’d most likely have to go Protestant just to feel at home…
 
VivatJesus said:
Since when has false obedience been a tradition? Eh, SAINT Athanasius?

If the Pope ordered you to do jumping jacks during the Consecration, would you have to obey?
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Oh, he’d obey alright…papolatry and all you know…
 
SanJudas said:
Has anyone else noticed that the most vehement anti-Traditionalist and SSPX-hating posters on this forum seem to be either women or former non-Catholics? Is it possible that some of their animosity towards Traditional Catholicism may come from their fear of a return to some former era during which they imagine women, Protestants, Jews, etc. were mistreated or persecuted? Is this the main stumbling block in the way of them either accepting Traditionalism, or at least not coming onto this forum and constantly attacking it? Is there some way that we can allay their fears and reassure them that Traditionalists are not the Catholic answer to the Taleban?
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Regarding those who post their opinions on the internet…

No group is unique. There are two distinct mindsets. That simple.

One sees nothing wrong. One sees something wrong.

The first group wishes the second would just shut up. The second group won’t shut up.

When the two mindsets meet on the net, it gets ugly. Thankfully, only a very trite percentage of Roman Catholics post here and get caught up in it all.

What is sad is that guests to the forum who are curious about catholicism may see the Traditional Catholicism forum as a good starting point. Doesn’t matter which side is right or wrong, both are at fault for enabling these uncharitible threads to stay at the top of the page by replying.

(yea, I know, just as I did)
 
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