Generalizations of Protestants

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marywarfield said:
The topic is generalizations correct? Problem is
when referring to non Catholic religions with such a broad
term huge misconceptions occur.
For instance Protestants hate Mary or find her creepy.
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Agreed.
Thats not true-not all Protestants do. Though I find it interesting
so many on this thread who are not Catholic but not
Fundamentalist either immediately jump to proclaiming
“that NO Protestant finds Mary creepy”.
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Agreed. Hence why I was careful to say that I’ve never met such a protestant, and have never heard a Catholic claim that there are such protestants till today. More generally, I tend not to make statements like “NO protestant has ever done blank.” … and, for that matter, I tend not to make statements like “NO Catholic has ever done blank.”
 
Peter_J said:
Agreed.

Agreed. Hence why I was careful to say that I’ve never met such a protestant, and have never heard a Catholic claim that there are such protestants till today. More generally, I tend not to make statements like “NO protestant has ever done blank.” … and, for that matter, I tend not to make statements like “NO Catholic has ever done blank.”
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Well we can’t do it and the reason is Christ. Generalizations
are dehumanizing which of course is not Christian.

So like I said before is there anything these non Catholic
religions have in common besides being non Catholic?
If we say non Catholic then we have to include Islam and
Judaism and and and as well.

No the only commonality among them is rejection
of Catholicism and if one MUST generalize Protestant
is the better term as it does reflect their Christian bent.
 
Oh I agree. Believe me, I wouldn’t object at all if they split the Non-Catholic Religions forum into two – one for intra-Christian dialogue, and one for dialogue with Non-Christians.
 
Peter_J said:
Agreed.

Agreed. Hence why I was careful to say that I’ve never met such a protestant, and have never heard a Catholic claim that there are such protestants till today. More generally, I tend not to make statements like “NO protestant has ever done blank.” … and, for that matter, I tend not to make statements like “NO Catholic has ever done blank.”
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I wasn’t sugar coating on purpose when I said, “no Protestant” finds Mary creepy. I think I’m allowed to generalize when 99% do not. Perhaps there is one nut bar somewhere who does, but go to any Church and ask any member if they find Mary “creepy.” You won’t find one, let’s not kid ourselves.
 
Peter_J said:
Oh I agree. Believe me, I wouldn’t object at all if they split the Non-Catholic Religions forum into two – one for intra-Christian dialogue, and one for dialogue with Non-Christians.
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That would totally make sense. Except then you
have to determine which of the more radical “Protestants”
are Christians cause there are those Catholics reject
as Christian and those that reject Catholics as Christians. Lol.
For some of the Christian groups we would be disallowed.
 
dronald said:
I wasn’t sugar coating on purpose when I said, “no Protestant” finds Mary creepy. I think I’m allowed to generalize when 99% do not. Perhaps there is one nut bar somewhere who does, but go to any Church and ask any member if they find Mary “creepy.” You won’t find one, let’s not kid ourselves.
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Let me guess: you haven’t spent much time in a Church
that was the residence of an official diocesan exorcist, have
you?
Believe me- plenty of Protestants find Mary creepy and
worse.

But in all fairness- I find Christians who refer to her
as just an incubator very creepy. What a way to view
ANY human being. Lol. Reminds me of that movie
Clones.
 
marywarfield said:
Let me guess: you haven’t spent much time in a Church
that was the residence of an official diocesan exorcist, have
you?
Believe me- plenty of Protestants find Mary creepy and
worse.

But in all fairness- I find Christians who refer to her
as just an incubator very creepy. What a way to view
ANY human being. Lol. Reminds me of that movie
Clones.
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I don’t understand your point? Protestants don’t find Mary creepy; that’s all there is to it.
 
ltwin said:
Yeah, you got me. How can I dispute the overwhelming evidence displayed on a website owned by a corporate entity named Antichrist Ltd. 😃
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I didn’t know that particular detail, but in all seriousness it is quite clear that the producers of that website have a really vicious hatred of Evangelical Christians. Now, I may not be a big fan of Evangelicalism, but I try to love all Christians and I would certain stand with you guys against that.
 
marywarfield said:
Originally Posted by dronald
I wasn’t sugar coating on purpose when I said, “no Protestant” finds Mary creepy. I think I’m allowed to generalize when 99% do not. Perhaps there is one nut bar somewhere who does, but go to any Church and ask any member if they find Mary “creepy.” You won’t find one, let’s not kid ourselves.
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No, I’m guessing dronald hasn’t. I haven’t (well, as far as I’m aware).

But having said, let me add (the obvious): It isn’t just protestants who get possessed, it happens to Catholics too. (I did warn you that I would be stating the obvious. :o)
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marywarfield said:
Generalize much? Lol. For the record what is your definition
of Protestant?

For some even a picture of Mary is “blasphemous and creepy”.

jesus-is-lord.com/mary.htm
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That website has been explained by someone here already. Likewise to the other poster, I do not agree with it but he’s misinterpreting Mary’s role within the Catholic Church then arguing against it. I can’t really say he thinks Mary herself as she was is creepy; he just thinks the Catholic interpretation of her is. As wrong as he is.
 
Peter_J said:
No, I’m guessing dronald hasn’t. I haven’t (well, as far as I’m aware).

But having said, let me add (the obvious): It isn’t just protestants who get possessed, it happens to Catholics too. (I did warn you that I would be stating the obvious. :o)
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I totally agree. Which brings us back to what I said
earlier- we can’t always dismiss attacks on Mary by
ANYONE as simply ignorance of the Catechism or
a simple misunderstanding of scripture or theology.
There are frequently other “forces” if you will at work.

That’s all I was saying.
 
dronald said:
That website has been explained by someone here already. Likewise to the other poster, I do not agree with it but he’s misinterpreting Mary’s role within the Catholic Church then arguing against it. I can’t really say he thinks Mary herself as she was is creepy; he just thinks the Catholic interpretation of her is. As wrong as he is.
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You do understand that to Catholics the entire page
is blasphemy? And no that site was not explained by anyone.
Mary is the Mother of the Catholic Church. The Church
is our Mother as well. I don’t think all Catholics are
quite as quick as you to seperate the Mother of Jesus
from the Church itself. Attack one attack the other.
 
marywarfield said:
You do understand that to Catholics the entire page
is blasphemy? And no that site was not explained by anyone.
Mary is the Mother of the Catholic Church. The Church
is our Mother as well. I don’t think all Catholics are
quite as quick as you to seperate the Mother of Jesus
from the Church itself. Attack one attack the other.
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I agree that it’s not a good website.

Also, I did not know Mary is considered the mother of the CC.
 
dronald said:
That website has been explained by someone here already.
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I didn’t see that.
Likewise to the other poster, I do not agree with it but he’s misinterpreting Mary’s role within the Catholic Church then arguing against it.
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Exactly. 👍
I can’t really say he thinks Mary herself as she was is creepy; he just thinks the Catholic interpretation of her is. As wrong as he is.
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Agreed.
 
Probably nothing more aptly demonstrates the challenge of speaking of protestants way of thinking better than a book, in two volumes, by Jacques Bénigne Bossuet in 1829 The History of the Variations of the Protestant Churches. Its available online for free in google books.

Now its written by Bishop Boussuet and his view is unapolgetically Catholic. His work documents in detail the incredibly wide variance among the various branches of the protestants.

There is however one thing which unites all the protestant groups under a single umbrella. That is the belief that the smaller canon of scripture is the authoritative word of God, that it is able to be rightly understood by an individual through prayer and study excluding the authority of the magisterium to declare the right interpretation, and rejecting tradition as authoritative as well. On that they all agree. And this was the crux of the Protestant Reformation.

All of the variations, and they are substantial, come from disputes over what the right way to interpret it is. So, as a protestant, one of the things I smiled at on my way to Rome was the fact that we all said though we didn’t admit it ] “You just need to pray and study and God will show you the Truth but most people don’t pray or study right because they disagree with us.”
 
dronald said:
I agree that it’s not a good website.

Also, I did not know Mary is considered the mother of the CC.
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Totally. That is why we refer to the Church as the
Holy Mother Church. Because we view Mary as the
Ark of the Covenant, we view her as the first Church
actually. And Christ set the precedent when He gave Mary
to John as his mother. Mary is the Mother of every
Catholic and of the Church itself in which if course we
reside.

So while it may be a simple matter for a “Protestant” to
say hey we aren’t attacking Mary we are just attacking
the Church- well we go huh? You can’t attack one without
attacking the other.
 
marywarfield said:
Totally. That is why we refer to the Church as the
Holy Mother Church. Because we view Mary as the
Ark of the Covenant, we view her as the first Church
actually. And Christ set the precedent when He gave Mary
to John as his mother. Mary is the Mother of every
Catholic and of the Church itself in which if course we
reside.

So while it may be a simple matter for a “Protestant” to
say hey we aren’t attacking Mary we are just attacking
the Church- well we go huh? You can’t attack one without
attacking the other.
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I always assumed the Church is the bride and therefore referred to as such; I had no idea it had to do with Mary.

And any “attack” on the Church shouldn’t really be presented as an attack imo. I think dialogue is important in that if I am concerned over how Catholics venerate Mary I should be allowed to present my position contrary to that of Catholics. How I view Mary is different than how Catholics do, but I certainly think she was wonderful; no doubt.
 
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