Genesis of social justice

[royal_archer]

Hi, Markbrumbagh,

You know… I would be intersted in knowing the answer to that one, too!

God bless

Tom

I am getting the impression that some will it consider it greed regardless of how little profitt or how much of a loss the landlord takes.

 

[tqualey]

Now, get serious RoyalArcher! Of course it is greed…

Landlords are the new scapegoat and anything that does not agree with our way of thinking must obviously be caused by greedy landlords. Simply put, nothing else in the universe could possibly explain it!

God bless

Tom

I am getting the impression that some will it consider it greed regardless of how little profitt or how much of a loss the landlord takes.

 

[royal_archer]

Now, get serious RoyalArcher! Of course it is greed…

Landlords are the new scapegoat and anything that does not agree with our way of thinking must obviously be caused by greedy landlords. Simply put, nothing else in the universe could possibly explain it!

God bless

Tom

I’m still trying to figure out if he considers those who rent out other items are also evil greedy types.

I guess since I have a few bucks in a savings account that I am lending the money to the bank. I didn’t realize some people thought that was wrong of me.

 

[athair_siochain]

Hi, Cynic,

You have brought up an interesting focus… just how does someone else determine what is another’s person’s adequate return on their investment?

I have bought a item that had a mark up of 8000%’

because the item was hard to get,

In my eyes that is outright theft,

tqualey your answer to Cynic – a typical landlord message, shows you are well aware of what you do,

blind greed rules,

 

[athair_siochain]

I’m still trying to figure out if he considers those who rent out other items are also evil greedy types.

I guess since I have a few bucks in a savings account that I am lending the money to the bank. I didn’t realize some people thought that was wrong of me.

Find out what happens to your money deposited in a bank, anything you say you make is wiped out with inflation THE BANKS WILL MAKE TEN TIMES as much money,

News from Australia today is another interest rate rise,this takes the interest rate to 2% higher than it was two years ago, at that time the government made up of landlords and moneylenders handed out a first home owners grant of $17.000 this was a carrot to trap young families, the $17.000 was used as a deposit,-- today many of those young families ( 40.000) will be walking away from their homes because they now have to pay around $150 a week extra, this is happening while banks make billions of dollars in profit,

 

[athair_siochain]

Now, get serious RoyalArcher! Of course it is greed…

Landlords are the new scapegoat and anything that does not agree with our way of thinking must obviously be caused by greedy landlords. Simply put, nothing else in the universe could possibly explain it!

God bless

Tom

Tenants are the scapegoats, because of landlord greed,

The content of the landlord messages on this thread are all part and parcel of landlord reaction. THE ARE PROTECTING THEIR GRAVY TRAIN dont want it to run of the tracks,

 

[tafan]

The idea that owning rental property is opposed to catholic social justice teaching is theologically absurd. The idea that rental prices are controlled and rigged by landlords is economically absurd. The idea that all landlords are greedy and provide no service is absurd.

In the ideal, according to catholic social teaching, everyone would own the property they need to survive. Wages should be paid that are fair and if an employee lives conservatively, he can save enough such that he can own his own home.

But people have to live somewhere and there is nothing wrong with providing them a place to live. The market place, as far as I can tell, makes renting vs owning a home very comparable in cost to the person who lives there. Owning is typically a little cheaper, which makes sense , since the landlord will presumably make a little profit in return for their investment and time.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Tafan,

Great post!

Without a doubt you have hit all the nails squarely on the head!

God bless

Tom

The idea that owning rental property is opposed to catholic social justice teaching is theologically absurd. The idea that rental prices are controlled and rigged by landlords is economically absurd. The idea that all landlords are greedy and provide no service is absurd.

In the ideal, according to catholic social teaching, everyone would own the property they need to survive. Wages should be paid that are fair and if an employee lives conservatively, he can save enough such that he can own his own home.

But people have to live somewhere and there is nothing wrong with providing them a place to live. The market place, as far as I can tell, makes renting vs owning a home very comparable in cost to the person who lives there. Owning is typically a little cheaper, which makes sense , since the landlord will presumably make a little profit in return for their investment and time.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, AthairSiochain

I thiink you have made a mistake here…

I have bought a item that had a mark up of 8000%’

because the item was hard to get,

In my eyes that is outright theft,

I really do not know who made this statement about an 8,000% markup - but, it wasn’t me, AthairSiochain!

tqualey your answer to Cynic – a typical landlord message, shows you are well aware of what you do,

blind greed rules,

If you just take the time and actually read the post, you will clearly see that I was asking Cynic a question - and not making any type of statement.

But, you know what … since you are so eager to tell us about blind greed and all of its combinations and permutatons throughout society, maybe you can answer this question: who or what third party determines when someone else is being greedy?

Keep it simple - you go and buy a loaf of bread and some milk, you buy a newspaper and pick up your clothes from the dry clearners and get some gasoline for the car on your way home. Take any of those common examples and let’s ferret out the greedy blind in this entire system.

At the risk of sounding nosey, I am curious about what you do for a living to keep you free from blind greed. You see, I am, among other things, a landlord - rent out the house the wife and bought and paid for many years ago and move on - and … now, I rent!

I’ll be waiting…

God bless

Tom

 

[royal_archer]

I have bought a item that had a mark up of 8000%’

because the item was hard to get,

In my eyes that is outright theft,

You mean like radio shack selling a resistor for 8 cents when they buy them on a reel at 1/10th of a cent each?

I hope you realize that the logistics of facilitating that transaction also have costs.

 

[cdeterma]

Why isn’t it “blind greed” to want something for nothing, on the part of those who have done nothing to earn it? Why does someone else get to tell me how much I can earn without being greedy? If you don’t like the price of something, do without it. BTW if you don’t like high mark-up don’t let your spouse by any jewelry. See how that goes over.

At any rate Social Justice cannot be performed by the government as some US catholics seem to gravitate towards. It is a complete waste of our money. 75% of the money confiscated by the government for social programs goes to governmental expense and 25% makes it to the needy. On top of which some of the needy refuse to help themselves and get off the wellfare roles. There is no morality in perpetuating an underclass. We can do much better with our money. Every good charity in existence operates on the 80/20 split. Where only 20% of the money donated goes towards expenses. We are sinning, in a way, by mismanaging God’s money to allow 75% of it to be wasted in a government program.

 

[royal_archer]

Find out what happens to your money deposited in a bank, anything you say you make is wiped out with inflation THE BANKS WILL MAKE TEN TIMES as much money,

News from Australia today is another interest rate rise,this takes the interest rate to 2% higher than it was two years ago, at that time the government made up of landlords and moneylenders handed out a first home owners grant of $17.000 this was a carrot to trap young families, the $17.000 was used as a deposit,-- today many of those young families ( 40.000) will be walking away from their homes because they now have to pay around $150 a week extra, this is happening while banks make billions of dollars in profit,

Ranting aside. If it is wrong for a bank to loan money and make interest is it also wrong for a person to put money in a savings account and earn interest?

 

[royal_archer]

Tenants are the scapegoats, because of landlord greed,

The content of the landlord messages on this thread are all part and parcel of landlord reaction. THE ARE PROTECTING THEIR GRAVY TRAIN dont want it to run of the tracks,

Aside from one incident I have no intention of repeating (tried to be nice and got burned) I have been primarily a renter. As a renter I was more than happy to pay the land lord for the bennefit of getting places quickly, with nominal down payment, and the ability to move quickly. I have lost my job several times and had to make quick moves to keep food on the table. The availability of rental property prevented me from being homeless for extended periods of time.

 

[markbrumbaugh]

athair…please tell me how much I should make, so I will not be greedy. I am still waiting for an answer on this…

$/year please.

 

[Black_Rose]

athair…please tell me how much I should make, so I will not be greedy. I am still waiting for an answer on this…

$/year please.

Let’s just say a half million USD per year or have more than 2 million USD in wealth just to give a figure. These are, of course, arbitrary figures that I merely posted to see what response I would elicit.

But I do not know any socialist who condemns individual people for being wealthy; most socialists blame the institution of capitalism for extolling the vice of greed as virtue often at the expense of the working classes (both nationally and internationally) dignity, welfare, and standard of living. No socialist harbors a grudge against Greg Maddux or Randy Johnson because they are millionaires assuming they did not squander all of their money. Their large salaries are not only the result of their talent since baseball players were paid much less (in real terms) decades ago (for instance Babe Ruth’s salary, the ne plus ultra of baseball players, was about a million USD per year in inflation adjusted terms), but due to the increased profitability of baseball and better bargaining position of the players. Naturally, they would seek to maximize their salaries and exploit their bargaining positions; it does not make them greedy or evil.

 

[TenBobNote]

Ranting aside. If it is wrong for a bank to loan money and make interest is it also wrong for a person to put money in a savings account and earn interest?

The sole statement “bank profit is immoral” would be false, however, current day banks have colluded with the federal reserve, or more specifically the federal reserve and the banks have colluded with the government for certain advantages in the market. Such as having 10 times the amount of dollars in credit (given to them by the federal reserve) than the bank has in the depositor’s savings accounts. The immoral part(s) about this is that the banks are able to collect much more interest, as they have much more money available to them than the free market would normally allow, thanks to the federal reserve printing money, effectively reducing the value of the dollar in your pocket, or savings account. Furthermore, this newly created money that is just now being introduced into the market gives the banks even more of a government created edge, because the market has not seen the increase in the supply of dollars, so the extra money they have is able to purchase things as if the money had not been created, buying more for less.

Looting the people, in the name of a “more stable economy”, even though research into Fractional reserve banking or the Austrian business cycle theory would prove otherwise.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

lewrockwell.com/rothbard/frb.html

 

[athair_siochain]

Ranting aside. If it is wrong for a bank to loan money and make interest is it also wrong for a person to put money in a savings account and earn interest?

If you put your hard earned money in a bank for safety it could, earn interest that is less than the rate of inflation,
The moneylenders will make ten times that amount., take credit cards for instance, 27% interest, plus fees. do you believe this is good for society, ?

Do you have a choice about your money going into a bank,? “NO YOU DONT” does your pay cheque go into a bank.? mine does… so I have to pay bank fees, NEED a bank card TO ACCESS my money—again I stress most of our politicians and lawyers are landlords or moneylenders, does this not send a message , their sole purpose for being in control, is to ensure rents and property prices keep rising., this lowers the buying ability of ones earnings,
I am not ranting, just expressing views, that have been put together, over 15yrs of investigating blind greed, I am sure Christ is happy with what I am doing.

My argument is about social justice, and the fact that landlords and moneylenders are the only activities that effect every thing on the planet, we dont need them,

Without them this world would change for the better we do not need a socialist/capitalist dictator to turn workers into slaves,

 

[athair_siochain]

The sole statement “bank profit is immoral” would be false, however, current day banks have colluded with the federal reserve, or more specifically the federal reserve and the banks have colluded with the government for certain advantages in the market. Such as having 10 times the amount of dollars in credit (given to them by the federal reserve) than the bank has in the depositor’s savings accounts. The immoral part(s) about this is that the banks are able to collect much more interest, as they have much more money available to them than the free market would normally allow, thanks to the federal reserve printing money, effectively reducing the value of the dollar in your pocket, or savings account. Furthermore, this newly created money that is just now being introduced into the market gives the banks even more of a government created edge, because the market has not seen the increase in the supply of dollars, so the extra money they have is able to purchase things as if the money had not been created, buying more for less.

Looting the people, in the name of a “more stable economy”, even though research into Fractional reserve banking or the Austrian business cycle theory would prove otherwise.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

lewrockwell.com/rothbard/frb.html

Well said… Looting the people in the name off a “more stable economy”

a stable economy - who knows how it works,? landlords and moneylenders.

Look at equity, in a twenty year period equity on all the property in the World has risen by 500 trillion dollars ??? THIS MONEY WAS NOT WORKED FOR no sweat or tears were shed . and who created and owns this money??? property owners do, and again I stress politicians and lawyers are more than likely to be landlords and moneylenders, the reason – I did check the background of 50 lawyers and politicians, I was shocked to find all of them were landlords or moneylenders, we all believe we live in a Demoracy yet we are living under a dictatorship of collectors of rent and interest, have a nice day everyone…

 

[TenBobNote]

If you put your hard earned money in a bank for safety it could, earn interest that is less than the rate of inflation,
The moneylenders will make ten times that amount., take credit cards for instance, 27% interest, plus fees. do you believe this is good for society, ?

Do you have a choice about your money going into a bank,? “NO YOU DONT” does your pay cheque go into a bank.? mine does… so I have to pay bank fees, NEED a bank card TO ACCESS my money—again I stress most of our politicians and lawyers are landlords or moneylenders, does this not send a message , their sole purpose for being in control, is to ensure rents and property prices keep rising., this lowers the buying ability of ones earnings,
I am not ranting, just expressing views, that have been put together, over 15yrs of investigating blind greed, I am sure Christ is happy with what I am doing.

My argument is about social justice, and the fact that landlords and moneylenders are the only activities that effect every thing on the planet, we dont need them,

Without them this world would change for the better we do not need a socialist/capitalist dictator to turn workers into slaves,

When throwing the blame at the results of a failed policy you run the risk of never correcting that failed policy in the first place, the moral hazard is still there.

A couple wonderful lectures on the importance of sound money and why the federal reserve creates the problem you describe.

mises.org/media/4126 - Thomas Woods Jr, A great Catholic defender of the free markets.

mises.org/media/4840

Feel free to search the site on other topics, they have an ample amount of information.

 

[athair_siochain]

Let’s just say a half million USD per year or have more than 2 million USD in wealth just to give a figure. These are, of course, arbitrary figures that I merely posted to see what response I would elicit.

But I do not know any socialist who condemns individual people for being wealthy; most socialists blame the institution of capitalism for extolling the vice of greed as virtue often at the expense of the working classes (both nationally and internationally) dignity, welfare, and standard of living. No socialist harbors a grudge against Greg Maddux or Randy Johnson because they are millionaires assuming they did not squander all of their money. Their large salaries are not only the result of their talent since baseball players were paid much less (in real terms) decades ago (for instance Babe Ruth’s salary, the ne plus ultra of baseball players, was about a million USD per year in inflation adjusted terms), but due to the increased profitability of baseball and better bargaining position of the players. Naturally, they would seek to maximize their salaries and exploit their bargaining positions; it does not make them greedy or evil.

It depends on how you look at it, Greg and Randy do want a bigger slice of the cake (profits)
The more money a team has in the bank, gives them more power to buy the best players. this is blind greed out of control. players are bribed with a big pile of money, you cant say the are not greedy,