Genesis of social justice

[WatchingMedia]

Read the junk on the USCCB web site, under “Social Justice Issues” left side link.
usccb.org/
Click on a particular topic. Then when you get to that topic, look on the left hand side - “take action”, continuing down you will also find directions “for priests”, “educators” etc.

Left wing Bishops are hijacking our Religion, and turning the USCCB into a PAC toward socialism regarding several of their topics).
They are taking away our freedoms as surely as the Socialists and Communists do,

Instead of quoting the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”, they quote themselves in former statements in most cases.

We can only stop them if we refuse to donate to them , and give our charitable dollars directly to the Charity of our choice.
And write to the USCCB with a copy to the Vatican, and a copy to the Bishop of your Diocese.

 

[athair_siochain]

Read the junk on the USCCB web site, under “Social Justice Issues” left side link.
usccb.org/
Click on a particular topic. Then when you get to that topic, look on the left hand side - “take action”, continuing down you will also find directions “for priests”, “educators” etc.

Left wing Bishops are hijacking our Religion, and turning the USCCB into a PAC toward socialism regarding several of their topics).
They are taking away our freedoms as surely as the Socialists and Communists do,

Instead of quoting the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”, they quote themselves in former statements in most cases.

We can only stop them if we refuse to donate to them , and give our charitable dollars directly to the Charity of our choice.
And write to the USCCB with a copy to the Vatican, and a copy to the Bishop of your Diocese.

Where did you get your information to back up your assumption that the church is right wing?.

Christ was a Socialist of sorts, — not a right wing conservative,

Are your charity dollars tax deduct-able?

 

[athair_siochain]

While we cannot ignore the issue of greed in the marketplace, it is always going to be there, we cannot look at all market transactions as symptoms of greed.

How can this be any less fair than the fact that my students pay most of my bills, my food, my gas, my property taxes? While I agree that there are plenty of sleazy landlords out there (as well as sleazy tenants), there is nothing in the transaction that makes it inherently unfair.

I am not aware of real estate appreciating 400% in a short time, but if you want to give me a specific location, I can check into it.

Take a look at the property market in Ireland and Australia over the last 10 years, , times are changing. families who took out a $450.000 loan from a moneylender in Ireland now find the property has devalued by two thirds to $150.000. the loan still has to be paid back ,
The landlords and moneylenders forced up the costs/prices so they should be the ones paying the difference in values. values created in a market place controlled by landlords and moneylenders

 

[WatchingMedia]

Where did you get your information to back up your assumption that the church is right wing?.

Christ was a Socialist of sorts, — not a right wing conservative,

Are your charity dollars tax deduct-able?

Where did you get that? I said the Church was headed leftest.

Christ was not a socialist.
Socialism takes away free wills of the indivdual, and puts the government in charge.

The Bishops should not be right or left - - - but straight down the middle using the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Canon Law to back up their actions.
They should not become politicians, and be Bishops at the same time.
“The means, the only means, she (the Church) may use are those which are in accord with the Gospel and the welfare of all men according to the diversity of time and circumstance” - Catechism
Not welfare of some men over other men. Not taking away rights of some men over other men.

Yes charity dollars can be tax deductible if you make enough money.
So give to the Charity of your choice tothe best of your ability. Jesus wants individuals to be charitable.
However, Obama’s staff put forth a proposal recently so that Charitable dollars would be taxed.

 

[Black_Rose]

Where did you get that? I said the Church was headed leftest.

Christ was not a socialist.
Socialism takes away free wills of the indivdual, and puts the government in charge.

The Bishops should not be right or left - - - but straight down the middle using the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Canon Law to back up their actions.
They should not become politicians, and be Bishops at the same time.
“The means, the only means, she (the Church) may use are those which are in accord with the Gospel and the welfare of all men according to the diversity of time and circumstance” - Catechism
Not welfare of some men over other men. Not taking away rights of some men over other men.

Yes charity dollars can be tax deductible if you make enough money.
So give to the Charity of your choice tothe best of your ability. Jesus wants individuals to be charitable.
However, Obama’s staff put forth a proposal recently so that Charitable dollars would be taxed.

Why should all charitable donations be tax deducted when the motivating factor is not altruism or even any concern about efficacy or efficiency? Of course, there are charitable acts from the wealthy that are truly sincere. I am also skeptical about the so-called merits of charity; I do not see why it is even better than a welfare state. Furthermore charity is regressive; the working more donate a larger portion of their incomes to charity than the wealthy.

Evidence of this pattern is not unique to the S.C.C.B.S. Economists have found this U-shaped giving curve in study after study of charitable donations. So the question is not whether this is true, but why it is true. One typical explanation is that the working poor tend to belong to religious congregations that are relatively literal about biblical imperatives to give. The S.C.C.B.S. shows that in 2000, poor American families were roughly twice as likely as their middle-class counterparts to be Seventh-Day Adventists, Pentecostals, or Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Saying that the working poor sacrifice the biggest part of their income is not the same as saying that they give away the most money, of course. The S.C.C.B.S. indicates that the wealthiest 10 percent of households are responsible for at least a quarter of all money contributed to charity, including a fifth of what is funneled to religious organizations and about a third of what goes to secular causes. Philanthropy scholars consistently find that households with total wealth exceeding $1 million (about 7 percent of the U.S. population) account for about half of all charitable donations. Simply put, your local United Way would probably close down were it not for the rich people in your community. But the fact that the working poor sacrifice the highest percentage of their income is also important. Charitable giving is more than just a source of money to fund nonprofit activities; it is an expression of how communities band together to meet common goals.

If the poor are doing so much giving, who are the folks who claimed in Independent Sector’s 2001 survey that they can’t afford to? Ironically, this is a typical upper-income excuse. Among the people with above-average incomes who did not give charitably in the year 2000, a majority of survey respondents said they didn’t have enough money. And they probably believe it. We live in a country in which three out of five families carry balances on their credit cards from month to month and the average household debt for consumer items is about $18,000.

Do all the poor give generously, or do some give more than others? The answer is that there is a fundamental difference between the working and nonworking poor. The working poor–families with the same income level as welfare recipients but who receive all their money from employment–are the big givers. The Center on Philanthropy survey data reveal this vividly. For example, consider two families: One earns its income from wages; the other relies on government support. Both families are near the bottom of the bottom in income, bringing in less than $14,000 in 2001. On average, the working family tends to donate more than three times as much to charity each year as the welfare family does.

aei.org/article/27596

For instance:

But not all charity is truly devoid of material benefits to the giver. In fact, giving money to charity, if done the right way, can be an effective way to raise one’s status. Those in the fundraising business understand this very well. Charity dinners, for example, allow the dinner attendee to hobnob with the right crowd. The higher the cost per plate, the better the crowd you get to hang with. At a $100 per plate dinner, you may wind up sitting at a table with a school teacher or a chiropractor, but as you move up to $1,000 or even $10,000 per plate dinners, you get to hang out with the elite and raise your status accordingly (and also make some valuable business contacts).

A very large donation allows you to sit on the board of a prestigious cultural or philanthropic institution. And with even more money you can get a building named after you.

We see that effective charitable giving requires one to give in a public matter. Giving in the privacy of one’s home is a complete waste of money. It’s like the proverbial tree falling down in the forest where no one is around to hear it fall. Charity only helps the giver when other people know about it.

This discussion should set to rest the notion that charity is strictly about altruism. Therefore, I don’t see why it should be tax deductible. Why should middle class taxpayers fund the status seeking activities of the rich? This is yet another example of how the system is rigged against the middle class.

halfsigma.com/2005/06/the_economics_o.html

 

[markbrumbaugh]

Read the junk on the USCCB web site, under “Social Justice Issues” left side link.
usccb.org/
Click on a particular topic. Then when you get to that topic, look on the left hand side - “take action”, continuing down you will also find directions “for priests”, “educators” etc.

Left wing Bishops are hijacking our Religion, and turning the USCCB into a PAC toward socialism regarding several of their topics).
They are taking away our freedoms as surely as the Socialists and Communists do,

Instead of quoting the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”, they quote themselves in former statements in most cases.

We can only stop them if we refuse to donate to them , and give our charitable dollars directly to the Charity of our choice.
And write to the USCCB with a copy to the Vatican, and a copy to the Bishop of your Diocese.

Thats why I did.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Take a look at the property market in Ireland and Australia over the last 10 years, , times are changing. families who took out a $450.000 loan from a moneylender in Ireland now find the property has devalued by two thirds to $150.000. the loan still has to be paid back ,
The landlords and moneylenders forced up the costs/prices so they should be the ones paying the difference in values. values created in a market place controlled by landlords and moneylenders

Actually, the while the moneylenders definitely contributed to the problem, they made loans to people for whom they had no business making such loans, they also overleveraged themselves. The real estate buyers also contributed to the problem as well. In the US there were people buying $500,000 houses with no money down. That is just plain nuts.

 

[royal_archer]

Where did you get your information to back up your assumption that the church is right wing?.

Christ was a Socialist of sorts, — not a right wing conservative,

Are your charity dollars tax deduct-able?

No, Jesus advocated sharing not stealing. Socialism is stealing

 

[royal_archer]

Not on the least. The fact that you made some sort of strange leap to think I would suggests that your critical thinking skills are quite faulty.

OK, It looks like I jumped to a false conclusion. I am glad to see you are not infavor of obama care. Are you against socialized medicine in general?

 

[stinkcat_14]

OK, It looks like I jumped to a false conclusion. I am glad to see you are not infavor of obama care. Are you against socialized medicine in general?

I am even against Medicare. I am skeptical about the efficiency of government programs partly because I work for the government.

 

[royal_archer]

I am even against Medicare. I am skeptical about the efficiency of government programs partly because I work for the government.

It seems that those I know who worked for the government have a lot less faith in government than those who never worked for the government.

 

[athair_siochain]

Actually, the while the moneylenders definitely contributed to the problem, they made loans to people for whom they had no business making such loans, they also overleveraged themselves. The real estate buyers also contributed to the problem as well. In the US there were people buying $500,000 houses with no money down. That is just plain nuts.

THE MONEYLENDERS CREATED LOANS FOR PROPERTIES THAT WERE OVER VALUED BY 300% knowing those who were signing on the dotted line had no hope of paying the mortgage once the fees and interest rates were forced up…

The LANDLORDS then grab the bargains-- because they have the money collected from tenants, the out come the landlord gets a new property in his name , that a tenant will be paying of. often the rent is equal to the mortgage payment plus all the other extras,

You have to wonder are there any landlords or moneylenders in heaven ,

TENANTS ARE VICTIMS OF LANDLORD GREED…

 

[athair_siochain]

Where did you get that? I said the Church was headed leftest.

Christ was not a socialist.
Socialism takes away free wills of the individual, and puts the government in charge.

Religion takes away free wills of the individual and puts the clergy in charge , you could say that as well.

Social justice is about freedom of equality, something the landlords and money lenders do not want established. you have to go back to King Solomon , a landlord and moneylender. also a man, who is said to have had 700 wives, I wonder how this man found time to speak with God,
How many of King Solomons slaves were executed for not working hard >?