Genesis of social justice

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And this is a stain upon the Catholic Church that prevents many Protestants from taking her seriously. I’m not trying to bash her, just saying that when someone takes a high road, it’s hard to take them seriously when they are hypocritical. The Catholic Church does so much for so many people, that you can’t fault her for doing good. But at the same time, if the Government does all the giving, what use is there of the Church any longer?
One of the reason that many people oppose the big box stores is that they move into an area, undercut the comptiiton, then slack off on customer service and start raising rates.

Unlike the church, the government (the political parties controlling the government) are trying to create a situation where the majority of Americans are dependent on the government. Then those people will be at the mercy of the party in power.
 
One of the reason that many people oppose the big box stores is that they move into an area, undercut the comptiiton, then slack off on customer service and start raising rates.

Unlike the church, the government (the political parties controlling the government) are trying to create a situation where the majority of Americans are dependent on the government. Then those people will be at the mercy of the party in power.
Yes, I agree with your assessment. And it is the Social Justice movement that is fueling this move. Social Justice is just an euphemism for “Redistributive Change.” In the Church this is acceptable, because people willingly give their money. But if the Government is doing it, they are taking from one to give to another. I liked the Robin Hood movie, but I’ve seen Robin Longstride, and Obama is no Robin Longstride!! :eek:
 
When I was hungry did you feed me? And then they asked Jesus when was it that He came to them hungry?

Peace
To you, which is the most evil and worst Social injustice of today? The poor, the disinfranchised, the glut of the environment, immigration, war? It wouldn’t possibly be abortion, euthanasia, homosexual marriage, embryonic stem cell research, cloning, would it? I thought not. Bernadin’s Seamless Garment theory is the cause of misunderstanding what the Church ( Rome) is really saying. What many of our liberal, progressive Bishops and clergy call Social Justice.
 
In my opinion, the Catholic Church has a de facto position of redistribution of the wealth by any means possible. Social Justice is just a phrase that speaks of that very thing. While not every diocese or local church will emphasize this, it is still quite a rampant teaching. It would not surprise me to see many Catholics give a similar report.
Redistribution of wealth, this only happens because the greedy have taken the biggest slice,

In a society without greed we would not need to redistribute, because everyone would have enough,I was reading yesterday about house prices , between 1950-1980 the average house price cost about 3yrs average wage,
Today’s average house prices are equal to 8yrs of average wages, so that means the redistribution of wealth ends up in the landlord moneylenders pocket, when will society wake up?.
 
Redistribution of wealth, this only happens because the greedy have taken the biggest slice,

In a society without greed we would not need to redistribute, because everyone would have enough,I was reading yesterday about house prices , between 1950-1980 the average house price cost about 3yrs average wage,
Today’s average house prices are equal to 8yrs of average wages, so that means the redistribution of wealth ends up in the landlord moneylenders pocket, when will society wake up?.
Do you mean the greedy people who want more house than they can afford? FYI my home was only equal to about 2 yrs wages.
 
Do you mean the greedy people who want more house than they can afford? FYI my home was only equal to about 2 yrs wages.
That says your wage is higher than average,

Some people earn more in 1 hour than others earn in one year, IS THIS FAIR
 
That says your wage is higher than average,
No, it means I bought a smaller more reasonably priced home that I can afford. Buying a house at 8 times your annual wages is just irresponsible.
Some people earn more in 1 hour than others earn in one year, IS THIS FAIR
No, it isn’t fair that others are not earning their keep and are instead leaching off the fruits generated by others.
 
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In my opinion, the Catholic Church has a de facto position of redistribution of the wealth by any means possible. Social Justice is just a phrase that speaks of that very thing. While not every diocese or local church will emphasize this, it is still quite a rampant teaching. It would not surprise me to see many Catholics give a similar report.
Redistribution of wealth, this only happens because the greedy have taken the biggest slice…
No, this happens when certain people steal from people like me, because they are too lazy to earn it themselves.
athair:
In a society without greed we would not need to redistribute…
There is no such thing as “a society without greed”, and there will always be people like you who justify stealing from others.
athair:
…because everyone would have enough…
There is no such society in existence. Never has been, there never will be. Even in societies that have tried this (communist Russia, Germany, North Korea, etc, etc), there are flagrant abuses where there are those who have huge mansions and cupboards full of food, while the poor continue on being poor.
athair:
I was reading yesterday about house prices , between 1950-1980 the average house price cost about 3yrs average wage…
Actually, the median home price in 1950 was about $14,500, and the average salary was about 3200.00, which means that a house cost about 4.53 times as much as a person’s salary. In 2007, the median home price was about $229,000, and the average salary was about 50,000.00, which means that a house cost about 4.58 times a person’s salary.

That was about 5/100ths increase from 1950. WOW!!! (facete meter on full blast)
athair:
Today’s average house prices are equal to 8yrs of average wages, so that means the redistribution of wealth ends up in the landlord moneylenders pocket, when will society wake up?.
If we go by the liberal math, we’d all be in deep doo doo. Thank God we each have brains that we can figure these things out for ourselves.
 
Of course it’s fair. If I work harder than you, and you get paid for doing nothing, do you think that is fair? Yes, you probably do.
THOSE WHO EARN THE LEAST , work harder .landlords and moneylenders do not work. others work while they, the landlords and moneylenders live the good life.
 
THOSE WHO EARN THE LEAST , work harder .landlords and moneylenders do not work. others work while they, the landlords and moneylenders live the good life.
How do you think they got the funds for the innitial investment? Do you think the magic home fairy just handed it to them?
 
How do you think they got the funds for the innitial investment? Do you think the magic home fairy just handed it to them?
Sometimes its through hard work, sometimes its from relatives or inheritances, and sometimes they borrow a lot of money and get lucky.
 
Sometimes its through hard work, sometimes its from relatives or inheritances, and sometimes they borrow a lot of money and get lucky.
And most of the time they go to school, get good grades, work hard, make a little, invest wisely, make a little more, invest that…And if they don’t do anything risky or stupid they have a decent savings to invest in property.
 
And most of the time they go to school, get good grades, work hard, make a little, invest wisely, make a little more, invest that…And if they don’t do anything risky or stupid they have a decent savings to invest in property.
Do you have some data to back this up?
 
How do you think they got the funds for the innitial investment? Do you think the magic home fairy just handed it to them?
INNITIAL INVESTMENT. now you are talking, I have spent 12yrs helping victims of landlords and moneylenders, during that time I have photographed real estate advertising, it really is incredible that nothing is done. one advert that stands out,

$10 deposit on a $350.000 apartment. providing the buyer already owns property, the sign also had details of how the property would be paid off,
tenant 85% taxman 10% and the buyer 5%.
There is no social justice in this . I do know of a religious organization that ensures its members can buy property as a investment , without having any security . other members of the organization stand as guarantor, so without having any money they can pay a deposit and then use a tenant to pay for all the financial obligations of the person who legal owns the property, LEGAL because the majority of polititians and lawyers are landlords and moneylenders, so can we change what has been happening for 2000yrs, yes we can,

There are no fairies , just greedy parasites.
 
Sometimes its through hard work, sometimes its from relatives or inheritances, and sometimes they borrow a lot of money and get lucky.
THERE IS NO LUCK INVOLVED just blind greed,

Borrow money from a moneylender knowing the tenant will be paying most of the bills,
tenant pays the moneylenders interest.
tenant pays-- landlords insurance. rates ,taxes.repairs etc, how can this be fair,

Add to that the rent increases, that force the value of property upwards ensuring the greedy landlords equity in the property could amount to 400% over a short time, where is the justice in this greedy activity,
 
And most of the time they go to school, get good grades, work hard, make a little, invest wisely, make a little more, invest that…And if they don’t do anything risky or stupid they have a decent savings to invest in property.
Christ said “forgive them father they know not what they do”

invest wisely. landlord definition----- make sure you get a tenant who has a good job so they can pay for your investment,

Do a Google Search type in" greedy landlord" you will find at least 80.000sites and the stories being told by people thrown out onto the street because a greedy landlord wanted more, where is the social justice in collecting rent/interest…
 
You need something to back up the obvious?
Maybe if we actually looked at the data it might not be so obvious. There are many places where wealth comes from, sometimes people become wealthy from hard work, sometimes they have wealthy parents or have connections, sometimes people just get lucky. Now, the real question is: what proportion comes from which source? You want to assume you know something, yet you don’t want to back it up with data?
 
THERE IS NO LUCK INVOLVED just blind greed,
While we cannot ignore the issue of greed in the marketplace, it is always going to be there, we cannot look at all market transactions as symptoms of greed.
Borrow money from a moneylender knowing the tenant will be paying most of the bills,
tenant pays the moneylenders interest.
tenant pays-- landlords insurance. rates ,taxes.repairs etc, how can this be fair,
How can this be any less fair than the fact that my students pay most of my bills, my food, my gas, my property taxes? While I agree that there are plenty of sleazy landlords out there (as well as sleazy tenants), there is nothing in the transaction that makes it inherently unfair.
Add to that the rent increases, that force the value of property upwards ensuring the greedy landlords equity in the property could amount to 400% over a short time, where is the justice in this greedy activity,
I am not aware of real estate appreciating 400% in a short time, but if you want to give me a specific location, I can check into it.
 
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