"Geologists claim stats, science prove Jesus buried in Jerusalem with wife and supposed son"

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Faith1960 said:
Archaeologists rejected this as the tomb of Jesus at the time. Anyone know if they still reject it?
I sometimes correspond with an archaeologist who hasn’t changed her mind about it, but I was hoping someone could tell me if they still reject it or if they’ve changed their minds.
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Anyone?
 
GEddie said:
You all forget that **everybody **knew where our LORD was buried.

It is hard to cover up a death; it is almost impossible to hide the result of state execution.

If our LORD remained dead, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for the Roman guard to produce the body – it wasn’t walking anywhere – and squelch the resurrection talk for good.

They didn’t because there was nobody there. Full stop!

Someone coming along 100 generations later with a bonebox that may, or may not, be that old, engraved with three rather common names for that time, is really somewhat beside the point.

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So you’re saying that if Jesus was buried and hadn’t risen, everybody would’ve known where He was buried and could have proven He hadn’t risen and ascended?
 
Faith1960 said:
Would finding the body and producing it have been easy to do?
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There would be no need to find the body; it was in a guarded tomb. This guard was there precisely to head off the talk of resurrection that ended up surfacing (the Sadduccees and Romans apparently understanding our LORD’s message better than His friends did).

Dead bodies are notorious for not walking anywhere; so when the resurrection talk began, the Roman guard producing it would have been no biggie at all, putting a full stop to that narrative.

Except they couldn’t do it.

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GEddie said:
There would be no need to find the body; it was in a guarded tomb. This guard was there precisely to head off the talk of resurrection that ended up surfacing (the Sadduccees and Romans apparently understanding our LORD’s message better than His friends did).

Dead bodies are notorious for not walking anywhere; so when the resurrection talk began, the Roman guard producing it would have been no biggie at all, putting a full stop to that narrative.

Except they couldn’t do it.

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No, I mean if His body was in the Talpiot Tomb, would it have been easy for people to prove Jesus wasn’t resurrected?

Also, weren’t the guards to Jesus’s tomb laying around? How do we know they didn’t fall asleep? I always thought they were standing, but that mini series this past spring had them laying down. Plus, what about when the guards were ordered to say they fell asleep? How do we know they didn’t? Because of his post resurrection appearances?
 
Faith1960 said:
No, I mean if His body was in the Talpiot Tomb, would it have been easy for people to prove Jesus wasn’t resurrected?

Also, weren’t the guards to Jesus’s tomb laying around? How do we know they didn’t fall asleep?
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Ok, so the idea is that He somehow survived the cross or never went there, then died a natural human death after having a family.

There would then have been no Resurrection and no faith built up around it. Men did rarely survive the cross, but no-one would confuse the slow recovery of a bloody, half-dead man with a resurrection.

The Resurrection was the core of the faith, such that S. Paul said he was on trial because of it. This is not the narrative of a natural survival or of somehow escaping the cross.

If He had gone to the cross, not risen again, and later his wife and child joined Him in the tomb, yes, the Romans would have produced His body, long before the wife and child died.

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Faith1960 said:
No, I mean if His body was in the Talpiot Tomb, would it have been easy for people to prove Jesus wasn’t resurrected?

Also, weren’t the guards to Jesus’s tomb laying around? How do we know they didn’t fall asleep? I always thought they were standing, but that mini series this past spring had them laying down. Plus, what about when the guards were ordered to say they fell asleep? How do we know they didn’t? Because of his post resurrection appearances?
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If someone had attempted to roll away the large stone blocking the tomb, it probably would have taken a bunch of people and the guards would have noticed, yes?

As to the conspiracy theory that someone “stole” Jesus’ body to “prove” He had resurrected: the only group that could have benefitted from this conspiracy would have been the very ones being hunted down by both the Jews and the Romans. The Apostles were huddled in the upper room for fear of capture, torture, and crucifixion.

The groups that had political clout and manpower would have been the Jews and the Romans. Why would the Jews or Romans steal Jesus’ body? :confused:
 
GEddie said:
If He had gone to the cross, not risen again, and later his wife and child joined Him in the tomb, yes, the Romans would have produced His body, long before the wife and child died.

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And it would’ve been easy for the Romans to have done?

And everybody would’ve known about it?
 
Faith1960 said:
And it would’ve been easy for the Romans to have done?

And everybody would’ve known about it?
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Of course. They literally knew where the “body was buried.”

It would have been half an hour’s work to break the tomb, remove Him, and sprawl Him at the city gates to show that no Resurrection had occurred.

And as was said, no-one would benefit from moving the body and claiming a resurrection. The story of the Resurrection gained its followers nothing but persecution; they would have given it up almost at once.

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GEddie said:
Of course. They literally knew where the “body was buried.”

It would have been half an hour’s work to break the tomb, remove Him, and sprawl Him at the city gates to show that no Resurrection had occurred.

And as was said, no-one would benefit from moving the body and claiming a resurrection. The story of the Resurrection gained its followers nothing but persecution; they would have given it up almost at once.

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I mean if His body was buried in Talpiot, would the Romans have known and produced the body? And would it have been easy for them to do?
 
Faith1960 said:
I mean if His body was buried in Talpiot, would the Romans have known and produced the body? And would it have been easy for them to do?
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They would have seen Joseph et al. carry him there.

It really doesn’t matter where the tomb was, they were keeping a close watch on that body.

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GEddie said:
They would have seen Joseph et al. carry him there.

It really doesn’t matter where the tomb was, they were keeping a close watch on that body.

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What if the guards WERE asleep?
 
Faith1960 said:
What if the guards WERE asleep?
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What if they were?

Who would have stolen the body? What was there to gain?

Neither the Sadduccees, nor the Romans, had any reason to do so. Nor had the disciples, with the added proviso that they would never risk their necks to do it.

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GEddie said:
What if they were?

Who would have stolen the body? What was there to gain?

Neither the Sadduccees, nor the Romans, had any reason to do so. Nor had the disciples, with the added proviso that they would never risk their necks to do it.

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Who? I don’t know, the Talpiot Tomb thing just really bothers me. Stealing the body from the original tomb aside, are you sure that if He was buried in Talpiot, however the theory goes, everybody would’ve known about it? It wouldn’t have been able to be kept a secret?
 
Faith1960 said:
Who? I don’t know, the Talpiot Tomb thing just really bothers me. Stealing the body from the original tomb aside, are you sure that if He was buried in Talpiot, however the theory goes, everybody would’ve known about it? It wouldn’t have been able to be kept a secret?
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Continued…

And Christianity wouldn’t have spread like it did?
 
Faith1960 said:
Continued…

And Christianity wouldn’t have spread like it did?
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Precisely.

Without a body walking himself out of death, and “alive forever more,” there would BE no Christianity. Whoever stole the body would have produced it and that would have been it.

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GEddie said:
Precisely.

Without a body walking himself out of death, and “alive forever more,” there would BE no Christianity. Whoever stole the body would have produced it and that would have been it.

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What if one of His own stole it? Would the Talpiot location have been known to the masses and would everybody have known He hadn’t risen?
 
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