Oh my, you are in for a surprise. Most people here are converts to Catholicism and we come from all different belief systems.
One of the aspects of Catholicism that I love is the concept of Invincible Ignorance. Many Protestants don’t share this belief with Catholics.
You say "One of the aspects of catholicism that I love is the concept of Invincible ignorance. Many protestants don’t share this belief with catholics…Invincible ignorance!Oh my, you are in for a surprise. Most people here are converts to Catholicism and we come from all different belief systems.
One of the aspects of Catholicism that I love is the concept of Invincible Ignorance. Many Protestants don’t share this belief with Catholics.
Ed, I respect your views and beliefs. I might kid around a little bit but people should not take things so seriously unless the matter is serious. However they are not mine views, and by far I am not alone. What George Carlin says are his views/beliefs or lack of. . If people don’t like them they don’t have to watch or attend his show. Many religious people were outraged in the 1950s when Elvis Presley came out. His swiveling hips were too much for some conversative people. Everyone got through it and lived their life without any problems. Then the Beatles came along with Beatlemania…again a few people didn’t think long hair was proper on young men. We all got through the 60s OK.
Yes, I understand that some Protestants disagree with the concept of Invincible Ignorance.
I am a convert to Catholicism. Many people on this forum are converts.
I do.
Hey, we agree.
Yes, being in the south and married to a man of Jewish descent, I am very aware of showing other religions respect.
basically you are saying that George Carlin has more rights then the rest of America. He could ignore the Catholic Church and Christianity. HE doesn’t. We could ignore George Carlin, we aren’t. Free speech doesn’t work one way, if you say something then others are allowed to respond to you.
The sex abuse scandal is horrible. I agree. Statistically though priest are no more likely to abuse young boys then your neighbor. If the Church had responded by putting the abusing priest in jail there would be no controversy.
That doesn’t mean that there aren’t wonderful, dedicated priests. It means that the Church is made up of very fallible, fallen human beings.I don’t know what SNAP is?
Ed, “The late 1960s poisoned the Body of Christ” What an awful thing to say. Never have I ever heard a Priest/Bishop/Cardinal or the Pope himself ever say that. I never heard of that myself. How do you make this stuff up so fast? George Carlins’ career didn’t really get started until the 1970s. I guess the 1970s are poisoned to.
George Carlin is one of many comedians (you might not think so) who criticize segments of society. We all make fun of something. Catholics just take things too seriously.basically you are saying that George Carlin has more rights then the rest of America. He could ignore the Catholic Church and Christianity. HE doesn’t. We could ignore George Carlin, we aren’t. Free speech doesn’t work one way, if you say something then others are allowed to respond to you.
The sex abuse scandal is horrible. I agree. Statistically though priest are no more likely to abuse young boys then your neighbor. If the Church had responded by putting the abusing priest in jail there would be no controversy.
I don’t know what SNAP is?
Carlin has a right to free speech. I think that he is wrong but going into detail of each thing you have brought up will get this thread closed down. THe moderators are pretty strict in that regard.
I agree with you that there are thousands of very good dedicated priests that do a lot of good work. Its too bad for the many rotten apples there are. I focus more on the nagative side of things. Sort of a watchdog. I am glad you are happy with your conversion to catholicism. If you are happy thats all that should matter. We just have to lighten up a little about the catholic jokes that fly around.Well at least Catholics aren’t like one belief system that blows up people who make jokes at thier expense.
Make up what? Read about the Legion of Decency, a Catholic organization, that existed from 1933 to 1970. Read about the “sexual revolution.” I know Mr. Carlin really got started in the 1970s. That’s when I saw him perform.
Ed: I was there in the 60s to. The hippies moved on when the 70s came along. Most grew up got married and lead productive lives, I am sure a few even became priests or nuns. I had a high school buddy that was at woodstock in upstate NY back in 69. Today he is a highly educated executive living a very good life. Pornography, I think most men can say they have looked at least a little of that. Long hair, whats wrong with that? Smoking dope was never for me. Sex with anyone? Well we are sexual beings. My doctor told me we think of sex at least 50 times a day and often think about someone else other then our spouse. Who will admit to that? I will. Guilty, but only human like everyone else.
We forgive those who trespass against us..........remember that line? We should be living it. There wouldn't be agencies out there helping people if they all decided "well you brought this on yourself" your an alcoholic its your fault. You smoked too much and now you have cancer......too bad.......those are not the attitudes we should have.
I am sure George Carlin has a good side that you might not see. Telling dirty jokes or making fun of catholic issues is trivial compared to some things I see going on.Those people who blow people up are extremeists. You know that. Most Muslims pray 5 times a day for hours and are very dedicated to their faith. More then I can say about many catholics who call themselves religious and the few that even go to church and go for only 40 minutes 1 day a week. Many sit in church checking out the opposite sex or the new clothing some are wearing. Believe me its true. I use to watch people in church. I never followed the service much myself. Now I don’t go to church anymore but I am a good person. I know whats right and wrong and try to do right most of the time. Thats what really matters in life. I don’t belong to any group. . Not a catholic, muslim, jew, protestant, hindu etc person. I am a people person. Just like god said. God loves EVERYONE!Well at least Catholics aren’t like one belief system that blows up people who make jokes at thier expense.
Grrr…those pacifist are scary.
What does it matter? We are supposed to help bear one another’s burdens. We are told to help our brother if he stumbles in his faith.
Ed, you sure covered all the bases above. It appears you are happy in your life. Thats what its all about and thats what is most important!Whoa! I had not said a word about Muslims.
I wasn’t even thinking Muslims or I would have said the word Muslims. I mentioned Pacifist because pacifist don’t believe in violence. I was saying the opposite of what a pacifist is. I was making a joke because you said that Catholic need to lighten up. It might not have been a funny joke, but you can hardly call it offensive.Happy? What do you mean? As the Bible states, it is the duty of man to do what God tells him to do. I’m not saying I’m not happy, but I am clearly told that the wages of sin is death. And that I need to do what I can to help others. “Man does not live by bread alone but by every word from God.”
Where did you get the idea that being the pastor of a parish in Rome is a higher position that being the Archbishop of a Major Diocese?
(he doesn’t even have the authority to set the admission charge) Where did you get the idea that being the pastor of a parish in Rome is a higher position that being the Archbishop of a Major Diocese?
Because that is exactly what happened. He was declared the acting pastor of a single parish (St. Mary Major) in Rome; where he gets to handle such critically important tasks as determining when the parish is open for tours.
Yep, big step up on the Ecclesial ladder there.
Former Cardinal Law shouldn't be in charge of anything, including being door man at the vatican. He is a disgrace to the catholic church, and so are all the other church leaders who didn't follow the law of the land and report these FELONY CRIMES. If Cardinal Law worked in the general workforce he would have been fired or arrested for obstructing justice. The old double standard in the church. Bring him to Rome the pope says, we will protect him...UNBELIEVABLE!
He lied, covered up and hid dozens of priests in his diocese over a lot of years in order the church wouldn't have to be RESPONSIBLE for actions against them. Can't blame the old catholic church, we never make mistakes, were the catholic church! Former Cardinal Law is the tip of the iceburg of sex abuse scandals in the worldwide catholic church. The church is only dealing with this issue becasue they got CAUGHT!. No other reason.
George Carlin looks like a choir boy, compared to the HUGE scandal issue with the catholic church. A few years ago who would have ever thought that any priest could ever sexually assault a minor. We all know that a large number of catholic priests are gay (not that there is anything wrong with that) and now the church says no more gays in the seminary. Does that mean all current gay catholic church officals are grandfathered on this issue? I guess. With thousands of lawsuits being paid and many more multiples pending, the church gets what it deserseves. Who would think Bishops & Cardinals could lie or cover up the truth about anything. I guess its time they confessed their sins..........to somebody.
Also, thousands of so called good priests around the nation knew of priests in their diocese who had committed these crimes and they did nothing to report this to their bishop or authorities. Shame on them. I am sure if you knew of a sexual preditor in your neighborhood you would do the right thing. The catholic church didn't. Again, they are dealing with this mess now NOT because the catholic church came forward, because of the brave young victims who have come forward.
Too many catholics are fearful to ever question the church. I see it all the time. Lets criticize guys like George Carlin. He makes fun of the church, and catholics get all upset. We make fun of Geroge Bush, Hillary Clinton, and thousands of others. What do they do? They laugh about it. I can't believe so many catholics aren't outraged with this situation. However, I do applaud the catholics who did come forward and placarded and marched and wrote letters of disgust against the church to show that these serious matters will never be tolerated again and justice prevail to all guilty parties involved. If I ever knew of a priest or anyone molesting anybody I would run to the nearest police station and press charges. I am sure you would to.......RIGHT?But that is not what I asked. You specifically said that it was a Higher position.