George Floyd body-cam footage

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Wasn’t sure whether to put this in casual discussion, world news, or here.

Why wasn’t the footage discussed more on here? There seemed to be endless threads about his death, autopsy, the ensuing protests and chaos. But the body cam footage warranted two threads, each of which got about 40 responses combined. There were hundreds of posts about his death.

Why is that?
 
My guess would be that it has just been discussed to death. I saw the footage and found nothing in it revealing enough to re-formulate any opinion. That is my reason.
 
Because George Floyd, resisting arrest, high on a combination of drugs, and gibbering like a madman does not fit their narrative of the police hunting black men for sport.
 
What is there to say about it? A man was needlessly killed by another man who, based on his experience, should have known better. It appeared that George Floyd was under the influence of something, had a panic attack when they went to put him in the cop car, Officer Chauvin got mad and proceeded to kneel on his neck till he died. Doesn’t need 100 posts of analysis. And yes, by the time it was posted we’d already been hearing about this for weeks and weeks of protests.
 
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At this point it is not even clear if the knee on his neck killed him.
 
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The courts can work that out. My opinion is that the officer acted badly even if it does not turn out to be homicide. I am often supportive of the police, but not this time.
 
Oh I agree it looks bad, and makes the cop look unsympathetic. However the facts I mentioned kinda shoot a hole in the narrative though.
 
There’s been a significant pattern of black men, usually in some kind of poor health or under the influence, being arrested for relatively minor crimes and dying in custody.
Often the police officers don’t get convicted and sometimes not even prosecuted, because it’s impossible to say that the police officer’s action is what killed the person.
But it still looks bad, and after multiple cases of this sort of thing, the police need to find a better way to deal with these situations.
Not only is the death itself a bad thing and causes lots of other people to be upset and traumatized, but then we have these riots break out with people running around smashing and burning half the city and the cities seem to be unable/ unwilling to control it. So it’s a huge amount of fallout for these isolated situations of one guy stealing some cigarettes.
 
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What would you propose?

The police usually have no idea what kind of physical state someone is in and dont know random peoples medical history. Why would an officer get convicted because a suspect died from being in poor heath, taking illegal drugs, and resisting arrest.They also have a sworn duty to enforce the law and if they ignore a crime they will get criticized for that as well. What exactly do you think the police should do?

Then you have people like George Floyd who had 3x a lethal dose of fentanyl, as well as Meth, had heart disease, and had just had covid. He is also actively resisting arrest which is causing his heart rate to go crazy…they recognized that something was wrong and were holding him down in an agency approved and taught maneuver waiting for an ambulance…
 
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The police usually have no idea what kind of physical state someone is in and dont know random peoples medical history.
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The police can often see quite easily when someone is under the influence or seems to be in physical distress. I could see it myself on the TV on umpteen issues of “Cops”, as well as in real life with the vast majority of drunk or high people. I’m sure that police not only get some training on this, but also they deal with dozens of drunk or high people on calls every week and they build up enough knowledge from doing that. Also, one can usually tell if someone is having breathing difficulties or otherwise is in some kind of distress.

Furthermore, when a man is yelling that he can’t breathe, feels like he’s dying, etc. it might be good to take that more seriously rather than just ignore it and keep up what you’re doing.
 
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does not fit their narrative of the police hunting black men for sport.
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Wow. I’ve not heard that narrative at all.

I think you made that up as an exaggeration of the real concerns of police interactions with people of color.
 
If you watch the full video you will see he was claiming he could not breath from the beginning of their encounter way before he was ever on the ground. Also it is well know that suspects will often claim they cannot breath in order to try to get out of things. Other than call an ambulance, which they did, what else do you expect them to do? Especially with a actively resisting suspect like this.
 
He was resisting, he admitted I’m pretty sure to being on drugs and certainly acted like he was, he claimed to be claustrophobic yet had no problem sitting in his car, he claimed he couldn’t breathe very early in the interaction.

The video certainly complicates the more simple story we heard early on.
 
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Weird, never had any trouble with the police myself. It must be because I am white and not because I have a good record, I am respectful, keep my hands where the officer can see them, and I always tell the police the truth. 🤔
 
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What is there to say about it? A man was needlessly killed by another man who, based on his experience, should have known better. It appeared that George Floyd was under the influence of something, had a panic attack when they went to put him in the cop car, Officer Chauvin got mad and proceeded to kneel on his neck till he died. Doesn’t need 100 posts of analysis. And yes, by the time it was posted we’d already been hearing about this for weeks and weeks of protests.
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Darn near every aspect of this post is factually incorrect. A man died in police custody, it has not been established that his death was caused by the police. If you read the autopsy report there is little if any evidence that George Floyd died because of the actions of the police. Rather he had three times the lethal dose of a dangerous street drug, among other things in his system, combined with significant heart disease, that likely precipitated his death. I agree, that can be worked out in court, but the original medical examiner’s report does not indicate that illegal actions taken by the police were the proximate cause of death. If you are arguing the police should have known better, well they were following Minneapolis police procedure pretty much to the letter when they assessed that George Floyd was suffering from excited delirium and placed him in the maximal restraint position, recommended by numerous white papers commissioned by the city of Minneapolis for these circumstances. The purpose of this restraint technique is actually to preserve the life of the suspect. In other words, they took no illegal action during the course of this incident. They had already called an ambulance by this point because George Floyd had injured himself by slamming his head against the window, and they upgraded the urgency when they realized he was in medical distress, and actively participated in trying to resuscitate him. You are claiming Officer Chauvin got mad, but quite frankly Officer Chauvin doesn’t appear mad in any part of the footage and was a late-comer to the action, taking his cues essentially from Officer Lane who was present throughout the encounter. Spectator Magazine and Medium both had very interesting articles on this incident, to include the training materials relevant to the maximal restraint position used by the officers to respond to suspected excited delirium, exhibited by George Floyd. I would suggest people take a look. Quite frankly, I am highly skeptical the DA will be able to establish any of the elements required to convict these officers of 2nd degree murder in a court of law.
 
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This is why the press is the enemy of the people. Their lies spread all around the country before the truth had a chance to get its boots on.
 
The difficulty I’m having with your post is this:

You say essentially, “people riot when folks get arrested for committing small crimes.”

Even if true, the remedy is not, and never is, “just don’t arrest people for small crimes and there will be no riots.” To the contrary, it has been shown that the “broken windows” theory of policing (arrest people for small crimes like breaking windows and you will curtail commission of larger crimes) WORKS.

The answer is NOT “don’t arrest people for minor offenses.” To the contrary, what the answer IS is “learn to deal with your community members committing crimes in a way that doesn’t involve burning down your own neighborhood.”
 
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