George Floyd body-cam footage

[StudentMI]

He died as a result of a heart condition and probably drug abuse. The family autopsy was conducted by a guy who’s made a career out of going after cases like this and whose testimony in previous cases has been refuted.

 

[VonDerTann]

This video falls into the category of “if you look on the web long enough, you’ll find someone who’ll say anything just to see himself on camera.”

He says, at the outset, “I’m a layman…I don’t know much about this stuff.”

I’ll say.

This wonderful video includes:

–Long periods of dead air;
–A “narrator” with a knowledge of, apparently, nothing…
–…babbling In his garage.
–He displays no knowledge of law; law enforcement; legal concepts like different grades of crimes, or anything else.

I’ll never get back the time I wasted watching it. Neither will you.

 

[WingedHussar]

You know, for all the abuse of power the police are supposedly getting up to, you think it would be easy to find a clearcut case of cops wailing on a completely innocent POC. Instead there is more to the narrative in almost every case.

 

[DeniseNY]

He died as a result of a heart condition and probably drug abuse.

Wouldn’t have mattered if Chauvin hadn’t knelt on his neck for 9 minutes.

I’ve said my peace on this. I’ll be muting now.

 

[StudentMI]

You know, for all the abuse of power the police are supposedly getting up to, you think it would be easy to find a clearcut case of cops wailing on a completely innocent POC. Instead there is more to the narrative in almost every case.

Agreed. I’m out of likes or else I’d like this.

 

[Inquisitor85]

Yeah that’s sarcasm, read the pinned comment. He’s a former security consultant who formerly gave police training. Also my ex police wife agrees that the hold used was wrong, and that the holds shown above are current best practice.

 

[StudentMI]

Wouldn’t have mattered if Chauvin hadn’t knelt on his neck for 9 minutes.

It wouldn’t have mattered that he had drugs in his system past the overdose limit and one of the side effects is trouble breathing?

 

[VonDerTann]

Those officers should be up for murder in the 1st degree

–Do you even know what First Degree Murder is, in the State of Minnesota, without looking it up, or how a prosecutor proves it?

It requires 1) intent to cause death and 2) PREMEDITATION.

So you are suggesting a) Derek Chauvin went off to work one day intending to kill George Floyd that day; and b) no one could possibly decide otherwise.

And your citation is “your wife, who once worked somewhere other than the state of Minnesota.”

Sorry if I don’t buy it.

 

[VonDerTann]

Hmmm…funny, I didn’t get that at all. I got that he’s some dude with a beard in his garage with a plastic skeleton dummy.

And if you’d studied this episode beyond “talking to your wife the former something somewhere other than Minnesota,” and watching internet videos, you’d know that the move used on Mr. Floyd was absolutely allowed to be used by MPD officers.

Want to debate if it should have been allowed? Fine. But under MPD department policy, that restraint was 100% allowable.

Sorry your wife the former something from somewhere else disagrees and says it should have been illegal - but it was legal.

Further, for whatever qualifications you think “Beau” has, all he really offers is a gratuitous opinion that “it could have been done better.” Fine, it could have. But that does not equal an intent to kill George Floyd.

 

[VonDerTann]

Wouldn’t have mattered if Chauvin hadn’t knelt on his neck for 9 minutes.

–Actually, Denise, it almost certainly does matter - that move is, as I’ve posted, entirely legal under the Minneapolis PD policy, and is designed to restrain, not kill. I have no doubt that the defense team will likely argue that, but for the drugs, COVID, etc., in George Floyd’s system, death is not reasonably a foreseeable result, and thus Officer Chauvin cannot be guilty of at least some of the crimes he’s charged with.

 

[Hodos]

Those officers should be up for murder in the 1st degree, they did not follow best practice for law enforcement.

Again, if you read the American Spectator article I referred to earlier, they followed their department procedure to the letter. A claim that this isn’t best practice is irrelevant. It was the department approved practice for the city of Minneapolis, by whom they were employed, and it is this policy that they will be held responsible for in a court of law. If that is the standard they are trained to perform and held accountable to by law, then you cannot establish either motive or depraved mind in a court of law, nor can you establish that they committed an illegal act. See attached slides from MPD training materials on the subject. (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

 

[puer.dei]

I have no doubt that the defense team will likely argue that, but for the drugs, COVID, etc., in George Floyd’s system, death is not reasonably a foreseeable result

I wonder how many of the people who say this would be willing to have someone kneel on their neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds to test this theory.

 

[VonDerTann]

You might be surprised - I’d do it myself. I don’t have heart disease; I don’t have COVID; I don’t have enough drugs in my system to kill a horse; and the restraint itself is not dangerous enough for MPD to disallow its use.

 

[commenter]

Quite frankly, I am highly skeptical the DA will be able to establish any of the elements required to convict these officers of 2nd degree murder in a court of law.

Given the enormous political pressure
on the DA and judge, and the certainty that a big part of Minneapolis will go up in flames if they fail to convict…

 

[Hodos]

Given the enormous political pressure
on the DA and judge, and the certainty that a big part of Minneapolis will go up in flames if they fail to convict…

That is the real danger here, the perversion of justice for the sake of the mob.

 

[commenter]

commenter:

Given the enormous political pressure
on the DA and judge, and the certainty that a big part of Minneapolis will go up in flames if they fail to convict…

That is the real danger here, the perversion of justice for the sake of the mob.

In the past jurors were kept somewhat anonymous by the media at least. In aftermath of some recent trials, some jurors give interviews and describe how and why they voted…and perhaps how others did.

 

[Hodos]

I’m writing a tell-all if I get on a jury. It’s going to be called, Y’All Got Out of Jury Duty So Don’t Chide Me Over My Verdict.

 

[libbeylu]

I really don’t care about any coverage pertaining to George Floyd! Let him rest in “peaceful” sleep…enought said…go forward and focus on Prayer for our country and LOVE for our fellow humans! And Pray for an end to the Virus!..Amen!

 

[Hodos]

I don’t think the original post was trying to make a statement about George Floyd, who I hope is in Christ. The issue is the fate of the four officers who are on trial, whether you believe it to be just or unjust. They are still alive and their fate matters, both to them and to the community. I agree we should go forth in prayer; however, as citizens who having a vocation to care about these things, it is not a bad thing to discuss these topics that we might act in the civil realm faithfully and ensure justice is done on their behalf as well.