George Floyd body-cam footage

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Hodos, your post makes a great deal of sense - and shows why these officers should get exonerated, at least to the top charges.

When that happens, you’ll be able to buy Minneapolis real estate for a song shortly thereafter, provided you agree to cart away the ashes of the burned buildings…
 
StudentMI said:
’t the footage discussed more on here? There seemed to be endless threads about his death, autopsy, the ensuing protests and chaos. But the body cam footage warranted two threads, each of which got about 40 responses combined. There were hundreds of posts about his death.

Why is that?
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George Floyd incident turned into a moral panic in record time. All based on a false narrative.

The bodycam footage combined with the fact that Floyd had a three times lethal dose of Fentanyl in his system clearly illustrates a few things:

-Floyd put these police officers in the most difficult position at every point during his arrest because of his heavy drug dose
-Floyd was not murdered.
-Floyd’s death was not the result of racist cops but the result of his continued sad decision to throw his life away.

We as a society decided to believe the footage that first made its way to the public. Images are powerful. I never believe images and videos upon first seeing them. I urge everyone to do likewise. Most people do unfortunately and will continue to do. Search for the truth is an afterthought for most. The cops will walk next year and riots will continue. The Bible since the fall of man has described humanity’s follies. This is just another one of these.
 
VonDerTann said:
When that happens, you’ll be able to buy Minneapolis real estate for a song shortly thereafter, provided you agree to cart away the ashes of the burned buildings…
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Funny story, the people suffering most can’t even cart away the ashes of their buildings because of a city ordnance the requires the remainder of the year’s property taxes be paid before being granted a permit to remove the rubble.
 
Hodos said:
Darn near every aspect of this post is factually incorrect
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And getting a wall of text like this that is not of interest to me is why I generally don’t post on these subjects.

If there is some issue of fact or law, the legal system will sort it out. None of us have complete access to all the “Facts” in this case. I expressed my opinion, and you are expressing your opinion. 100 other people can also have an opinion. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter unless one is a judge, juror, or legislator.

Some people enjoy comparing opinions. I find it to be rather a waste of time. Signing off now, and have a nice day.
 
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Steeevyo said:
George Floyd incident turned into a moral panic in record time. All based on a false narrative.
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This is why it is almost always a mistake to react immediately. This demonstrates that at its heart, BLM does not believe in due process. We all sympathize when someone is unjustly hurt or killed as a result of police brutality. However, due process in criminal cases require that we do not deprive people of life, liberty, or property unless wrongdoing is established by clear and conclusive evidence. However, the current political environment and racial ideologies require that people must form a judgment immediately regardless of the facts.
 
VonDerTann said:
You say essentially, “people riot when folks get arrested for committing small crimes.”
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That’s not what I said. I expressed that the police should handle these situations better. I further said that calling an ambulance might be a good start. And with that, I mute.
 
I agree with you, I think that it is unwise to form an opinion when one has not looked at the totality of the circumstances. At this point, I think we have a relatively complete set of facts. I am not averse to changing my opinion if new facts arise. My initial instinct when this first occurred was similar to yours. I basically said to myself, “If this is what it looks like, this is really bad.” However, I have been convinced the original take provide exclusively by the bystander video was incomplete and misleading. Given the new revelations provided by a completed medical exam, toxicology report, security camera, body camera, and bystander footage, along with disclosure of Minneapolis policy and training, one can objectively look at the totality of circumstances and form a qualified opinion on whether this incident fulfills the elements required to prove murder in accordance with Minneapolis statute 609.19.
 
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They did call an ambulance before they where ever even all the ground.
 
How does applying force to an airway, when you already have knowledge theres a problem, make it better. If anything that’s an even more damning indictment of US policing standards.
 
Inquisitor85 said:
How does applying force to an airway, when you already have knowledge theres a problem , make it better. If anything that’s an even more damning indictment of US policing standards.
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The airway is on the front of the neck, not the back of the neck and/or shoulders. The point of using this technique is to maintain the suspect on his stomach in a manner which prevents him from continuing to struggle against his restraints while maintaining an open airway. Several police white papers and medical journals discussing this technique have been published on the subject. Not saying its the best technique, just saying this is the approved technique in many police departments because there are no other good options currently identified for a combative suspect likely suffering from a drug induced medical emergency.
 
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How does applying force to an airway, when you already have knowledge theres a problem , make it better.
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In addition to what Hodos said, I would add: What “knowledge” of exactly what “problem” do you think the police had? The knowledge that Floyd was combative? That he had COVID (how could they have known that)? The fact that he was saying “I can’t breathe!” often means you can breathe - by contrast, drowning victims always die silently, because they can’t get air which is needed to speak as well as to breathe.

Police confront evolving situations every day and often lack knowledge which is passed around later in the peace of a judge’s chambers. That’s one reason police are often immune for their conduct (and thank God for that!).
 
@Hodos @VonDerTann

Here’s a fun video you can watch that demonstrates what the police should have done in the situation they found themselves in. Those officers should be up for murder in the 1st degree, they did not follow best practice for law enforcement. In fact my wife (former officer in Merseyside Police, former Prison Officer as well) assures me that if that happened here, the officers in question would have been arrested the second that footage surfaced, and then the IOPC (formerly the IPCC), would vetting the guilty force up to the eyeballs.

 
VonDerTann said:
That’s one reason police are often immune for their conduct
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No one should be immune for their conduct, if anything police officers should be held to a higher standard because of the power and office they hold.
 
Inquisitor85 said:
Those officers should be up for murder in the 1st degree…
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Give me a break. It was a tragic accident and Floyd unfortunately aggravated matters by a) being intoxicated and b) resisting arrest.
 
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I have no desire to watch further footage of a man having his neck knelt on for almost 9 minutes as repeatedly said that he couldn’t breathe and called out for his mother
 
The most important part of the story is already know. A man was senselessly and needlessly killed by a police officer.
 
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