George Will renounces GOP, declares ‘This is not my party'

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Peter_J said:
What, didn’t you know that Identity Politics is only acceptable when it helps the Left?
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IMHO, it would be a very bad turn of events if whites are the next identity they opt to vote as a block.
And while those on the left would be sure to agree, it does not even occur to them that this is what they in fact are legitimizing with their appeal to Identity politics in the first place.
 
7_Sorrows said:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
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I can’t understand why people don’t hear the lies that come directly from the mouths of Hillary and Bill and Obama. It’s the lies that upset me. That does not include someone changing their mind after being informed about issues. That is just lies and cover-ups and more lies…

“You can keep your health care if you like it…”
“I never had sexual relations with that woman…”
I never sent or recieved messages that were confidential…from my private server."

These just for starts.

And if you are going to say Bush said Iraq had WOMD—his intelligence people were telling him that… sure it was a lie as far as I know… I didn’t like his lie, either…
 
Tomdstone said:
It seems odd that a conservative would want Hillary elected president?
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Only if you think the “conservatives” are actually in any way opposed to the progressives. Things become much clearer when you realize that they’re just two factions within the same Ruling Party.
 
ChaosGamma said:
Only if you think the “conservatives” are actually in any way opposed to the progressives. Things become much clearer when you realize that they’re just two factions within the same Ruling Party.
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Here we have to be careful. People use the “they’re all the same” excuse to be intellectually lazy to the point of having an excuse to vote for the :cool::cool: kids, which of course today means checking the box in favour of abortion and changes to marriage.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Racism is not a profitable strategy for the democrats? Source?
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First, I don’t need a citation to make that claim. That’s not how it works.

Second, what you actually said was “People who vote for democrats want a vague definition of racism. Because racism is a profitable strategy for them.”

I vote for Democrats (sometimes, anyway). I don’t want a “vague” definition of racism. I don’t need one. I know it when I see it.

So how, exactly, is racism a profitable strategy for me? How am I profiting?

You made the claim, now back it up. If you can, which I seriously doubt.
 
Inisfallen said:
First, I don’t need a citation to make that claim. That’s not how it works.

Second, what you actually said was “People who vote for democrats want a vague definition of racism. Because racism is a profitable strategy for them.”

I vote for Democrats (sometimes, anyway). I don’t want a “vague” definition of racism. I don’t need one. I know it when I see it.

So how, exactly, is racism a profitable strategy for me? How am I profiting?

You made the claim, now back it up. If you can, which I seriously doubt.
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It is profitable because those who scream about racism the most, tend to make the allegation, never back up their claim and demand the accused prove their innocence. When I talk about profitable, I don’t necessarily mean financially profitable. It can be psychologically profitable. I have found that people who scream racism never admit they are wrong. That is why they want a vague definition of racism. A precise definition might force them to practice humility and admit when they are wrong.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
It is profitable because those who scream about racism the most, tend to make the allegation, never back up their claim and demand the accused prove their innocence. When I talk about profitable, I don’t necessarily mean financially profitable. It can be psychologically profitable. I have found that people who scream racism never admit they are wrong. That is why they want a vague definition of racism. A precise definition might force them to practice humility and admit when they are wrong.
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Once again, what you said was “People who vote for democrats want a vague definition of racism. Because racism is a profitable strategy for them.”

I vote Democratic. Presumably you think “racism is a profitable strategy” for me.

Show me how that’s true.
 
Inisfallen said:
Once again, what you said was “People who vote for democrats want a vague definition of racism. Because racism is a profitable strategy for them.”

I vote Democratic. Presumably you think “racism is a profitable strategy” for me.

Show me how that’s true.
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Not every leftist is a leftist on every issue. Likely not any leftist is a leftist across the board.
That does not mean therefore that the left must not exist.

The Democratic party is not defined by a single person, and certainly there are many Democratic voters who do not vote in their own best interests.

That does not mean that creating and maintaining schism based on race has not been a successful strategy for the Democratic party as a whole, and has created for them some long term loyalties based on identity.

If racism is not a profitable strategy for you personally, then perhaps you might want to reconsider giving your loyalty and support to a party which has been so successful at exploiting race for their own profit.
 
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stinkcat_14 said:
People who vote for democrats want a vague definition of racism. Because racism is a profitable strategy for them. What they count on is a docile public to not raise questions and expose the fact that the emperor has no clothes.
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To be fair, I think Donald Trump used a strategy very similar to the Dems’ strategy to win the GOP primary.
 
Peter_J said:
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To be fair, I think Donald Trump used a strategy very similar to the Dems’ strategy to win the GOP primary.
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That is what actually horrifies conservatives like George Will most of all. Because so many conservatives are repulsed by this Dem strategy, it is doubly repulsive when the GOP nominee sees this as a winning strategy for him as well.

It is almost worst if he wins, for this would mean the death of the conservative American value or e pluribus unom, out of the many one. Thisis at present exclusive to conservatives, and has been abandoned by the left generations ago.
To the extent that Trump wins, there would no longer be a political vehicle of any kind to carry this value forward.
 
Darryl1958 said:
That is what actually horrifies conservatives like George Will most of all. Because so many conservatives are repulsed by this Dem strategy, it is doubly repulsive when the GOP nominee sees this as a winning strategy for him as well.

It is almost worst if he wins, for this would mean the death of the conservative American value or e pluribus unom, out of the many one. Thisis at present exclusive to conservatives, and has been abandoned by the left generations ago.
To the extent that Trump wins, there would no longer be a political vehicle of any kind to carry this value forward.
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If American conservatism does ever die, it will be mostly because of the base, not just because of the elite. Although a lot of candidates I thought were a little selfish and Trump was able to win on plurality alone.

The base is what put them into power and in many cases self-identified conservatives vote against their values.

That has been the difference in presidential elections, not Hispanics, single women or anyone else. Those “moral, homegrown heartlandly” states of MN, IA, WI, PA, OH, VA went to Obama/Biden not once but twice.

They had a perfectly good candidate in Ted Cruz and he was what they said they wanted all along, and they vote for Trump. Not cross-over Dems, not independents, but right-wing evangelicals.
 
Peter_J said:
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To be fair, I think Donald Trump used a strategy very similar to the Dems’ strategy to win the GOP primary.
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Well, he wouldn’t have to if some of these conservatives wouldn’t act and think like liberals!
 
Inisfallen said:
Once again, what you said was “People who vote for democrats want a vague definition of racism. Because racism is a profitable strategy for them.”

I vote Democratic. Presumably you think “racism is a profitable strategy” for me.

Show me how that’s true.
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I am talking about the average, not necessarily every single case.
 
Inisfallen said:
That’s a crock, and you know it.
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No it isn’t. They’ve called everything from English accents to supporting Brexit as “racist”. Neither has anything to do with race, nor does talking about Mexican or Islam, which are not races.

Screaming “racism” isn’t going to work. It’s time to use facts, or for the left to quit altogether and check out. :yup:
 
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