George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

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SwizzleStick said:
To be honest, I had to look him up because I’ve heard of him, but didn’t really know anything about him. He is a criminal and civil liberties attorney and he writes for the Huffington Post.
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Good for him. I’ll wait and see what the court says.
 
seekerz said:
Who understands most things a 15 or 16 yr old does on the average day, let alone when scared/upset? I’m guessing that person would most likely not be a parent of teens…?
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🙂

Generally, that is a good point. Not in this case, though. I’m absolutely certain that if my 16-year old was on the phone with a friend and said friend believed he/she was being followed by someone and my daughter could then hear a scuffle over the phone, followed by the friend’s phone being dropped and going dead, she would tell me or her Dad about it. She would want to check on her friend and make sure her friend was okay. But, I realize I am talking about my own daughter and not this other young girl. Still, though, it seems odd to me that the girlfriend apparently didn’t check on Martin’s well-being or alert an adult about the situation, say something, do something. Maybe she told her Mom or Dad about it and the parent didn’t act. In any event, Tracy Martin had to find out about his son’s death by calling the police the next morning. That is sad.
 
SwizzleStick said:
To be honest, I had to look him up because I’ve heard of him, but didn’t really know anything about him. He is a criminal and civil liberties attorney and he writes for the Huffington Post.
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In addition, he was a professor at Harvard Law School, a position he attained at the age of 28, the youngest to become full professor at Harvard Law. I think he knows a little about the law.
 
seekerz said:
I’d guess he’d make some kind of call to somebody, if he felt he was approaching a dangerous situation, no? Just in case?
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Zimmerman’s MO was to call 911. There are many records of his calls to 911. Do you find it odd that he didn’t kill any of the other people you say he “hunted”?
 
SwizzleStick said:
🙂

Generally, that is a good point. Not in this case, though. I’m absolutely certain that if my 16-year old was on the phone with a friend and said friend believed he/she was being followed by someone and my daughter could then hear a scuffle over the phone, followed by the friend’s phone being dropped and going dead, she would tell me or her Dad about it. She would want to check on her friend and make sure her friend was okay. But, I realize I am talking about my own daughter and not this other young girl. Still, though, it seems odd to me that the girlfriend didn’t check on Martin’s well-being or alert an adult about the situation, say something, do something.
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What’s special about this case? Aren’t the lines grieving parents whose kids were literally bullied to death, testament enough to the fact that kids don’t always practice “see something, say something”?

Teenagers are odd, period. I know - I was one; and the number of conversations I had with any adult about my first boyfriend was exactly=2, one of which was a fight over whether I was old enough to date. At that age, he was Superman in my eyes; why would I call my parents because it sounded like some guy hit him? I’d be more concerned they knew I’d been talking to him.
 
seekerz said:
Good for him. I’ll wait and see what the court says.
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Yes. Me too.

In the meantime, I found this analysis by Dershowitz.

"The “Rorschach” Facts in the Killing of Trayvon Martin

The time has come for the cheerleading on both sides to stop in the killing of Trayvon Martin and for everybody to unite around the need for the truth – or as much of it as we can recapture – to emerge as to precisely what happened on that dark, rainy night. Once the facts have been established, by scientific, forensic and other evidence, then we can begin to analyze whether these facts constitute a defense under Florida’s stand your ground statute, which, for better or worse, strongly favors the defendant. "…

Blue excerpt from entire entry here: huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/the-rorschach-facts-in-th_b_1418441.html
 
Calgar said:
Zimmerman’s MO was to call 911. There are many records of his calls to 911. Do you find it odd that he didn’t kill any of the other people you say he “hunted”?
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No offense to the accused, but I find very little that is not odd about the whole ‘unofficial neighborhood watch person’ scenario. BTW, I asked a question about hunting, I never accused Z of hunting.
 
seekerz said:
Who understands most things a 15 or 16 yr old does on the average day, let alone when scared/upset? I’m guessing that person would most likely not be a parent of teens…?
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I am the parent of a teen.

If my son heard on the phone what he thought was a fight and he was so upset that he needed to go to the hospital, I, as his mother, would call the police.

So take it off of the child. What parent that had a child so upset that she had to go to the hospital wouldn’t follow up with the police. Even if only to say to her child, “see he is fine,” if the mom didn’t believe her.
 
St_Francis said:
In addition, he was a professor at Harvard Law School, a position he attained at the age of 28, the youngest to become full professor at Harvard Law. I think he knows a little about the law.
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Perhaps so. Florida law? Maybe.
 
vz71 said:
Perhaps the special prosecuter knows that there is no case, but feels it necessary to run a public trial to ease the tensions?🤷
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No case, hmm, let me see: a child is dead…for what reason again?
 
mtbender said:
So everyone who carries a weapon legally must be looking for trouble?

I think it is beyond a stretch to imply possession of a weapon equates to the desire to use it in malice.
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Everyone? No. Cops carry, soldiers carry.
Men/women who imagine they are “protecting”
their home turfs - and carry guns - it’s no stretch
fo me to imagine they are looking for trouble.
 
maryjk said:
I am the parent of a teen.

If my son heard on the phone what he thought was a fight and he was so upset that he needed to go to the hospital, I, as his mother, would call the police.

So take it off of the child. What parent that had a child so upset that she had to go to the hospital wouldn’t follow up with the police. Even if only to say to her child, “see he is fine,” if the mom didn’t believe her.
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Do you know what she told her mother? Were you there? Is it possible the real cause of the hospitalization only came out afterward? I don’t have those details, do you?
 
seekerz said:
No case, hmm, let me see: a child is dead…for what reason again?
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The answer may very well be “self defense.” Again with the facts we have we can only speculate.

A tragic as any death may be, it does not always equate to a crime.
 
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