George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

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Do you know what she told her mother? Were you there? Is it possible the real cause of the hospitalization only came out afterward? I don’t have those details, do you?
You claim to be a mother of a teen. If your teen was so upset that you had to take your teen to the hospital, you wouldn’t ask what the heck caused it?

I don’t have the details of what the girlfriend claimed the phone call was about, what she did or didn’t tell her mother or anything that was said.

What I do know that as a mother, I would be very concerned about my child. If my child is so upset that he needs to go to the hospital, I would be very interested in why. If my child is so upset that he needs to go to the hospital, I would be very interested in what happened. I wouldn’t wait to hear what happened to the person on the other end of the phone, I would make proactive phone calls. I would do this because I love my son and I would be concerned about him.

Of course I have no idea what the girlfriend’s mother did or why she did or didn’t do it. I only know what I would do.
 
You are incredibly unreasonable in making that claim.

Looking for trouble is a state of mind. Since you can’t read people’s minds, you can’t say that they are looking for trouble.

Simple logic.
No.

I’'m offering an opinion.
The affidavit for charges says that
Zimmerman perceived Trayvon to have
criminal intent - and that Zimmerman was
wrong in his perception and supposition.

None the less, Trayvon is dead.
Zimmerman labelled him as enemy-intruder.
The sceanrio ended when Zimmerman killed the boy.
Would Zimmerman have followed if he was unarmed?
Certainly doubtful.

Not rocket science. Simple logic.
 
I want to point out to that Zimmerman comes from a well connected family. If what he’s saying is true that Trevyon was on top of him, wouldn’t his shirt be filled with blood? Why didn’t the police interview the guy’s girlfriend she apparently wanted to be interviewed. Some talk is no autopsy was done on the body.

For me at the very least, in SYG, you shoot someone in public, you should be arrested, you can then present your evidence of being guilty, but this guy should have been arrested immediately.

As for think of the innocent people who are alive because they carried a gun. Think of the innocent people would be alive if people weren’t able to carry. There’s a case coming up where an older guy got in an argument with a young white guy about kids skate boarding. According to witnesses the guy showed the younger guy his gun. So the younger guy lunched at him. The younger guy was killed. Guess what, if the older guy didn’t have a gun, the younger guy’d still be alive today.

And according to his history most of the people Zimmerman would report on would be black. And once again, a kid talking on his cell phone in the rain… Is that really the most susicipious behavior ever…If the kid was dressed as a white preppy do you really think Zimmerman would have called it suspicious.
Our country has quite a huge crime rate, that other nations Canada, Europe don’t have. They have stricter gun laws.

**And given Zimmerman’s own violent past (didn’t he have a misdemeanor that could have easily been a felony and perhaps would have been for a lesser folk) he’s not someone who should be allowed to carry. **
Yep.

and who armed Zimmerman???
 
I want to point out to that Zimmerman comes from a well connected family. If what he’s saying is true that Trevyon was on top of him, wouldn’t his shirt be filled with blood? Why didn’t the police interview the guy’s girlfriend she apparently wanted to be interviewed. Some talk is no autopsy was done on the body.

For me at the very least, in SYG, you shoot someone in public, you should be arrested, you can then present your evidence of being guilty, but this guy should have been arrested immediately.

As for think of the innocent people who are alive because they carried a gun. Think of the innocent people would be alive if people weren’t able to carry. There’s a case coming up where an older guy got in an argument with a young white guy about kids skate boarding. According to witnesses the guy showed the younger guy his gun. So the younger guy lunched at him. The younger guy was killed. Guess what, if the older guy didn’t have a gun, the younger guy’d still be alive today.

And according to his history most of the people Zimmerman would report on would be black. And once again, a kid talking on his cell phone in the rain… Is that really the most susicipious behavior ever…If the kid was dressed as a white preppy do you really think Zimmerman would have called it suspicious.
Our country has quite a huge crime rate, that other nations Canada, Europe don’t have. They have stricter gun laws.

And given Zimmerman’s own violent past (didn’t he have a misdemeanor that could have easily been a felony and perhaps would have been for a lesser folk) he’s not someone who should be allowed to carry.
Zimmerman was arrested, taken to the police station for booking, and was presented to the prosecutor. The prosecutor did not feel that there was sufficient evidence to book him, and in accordance with Florida Statute:

***776.012 *Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.


776.013 doesn’t apply because Zimmerman wasn’t in his home or his car.

*776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).*

The prosecutor was required to release Zimmerman if the preliminary finding substantiates the claim of legitimate and reasonable self-defense. In fact, if they did begin prosecuting, and it was found that he has a legitimate self-defense reason, then they are liable.
 
So the outcome is that he gets a two week vacation at the local lock-up to start.

Looks like months of media to me. His attorney seems on the ball now though. The parents I thought were handling all extremely well.
 
. Why is that, do you think?
I think it is the relatability factor. So many see their own children in the face of Trayvon Martin, accused unjustly by a stranger with no authority, pursued, then killed,

and…

many see themselves in the face of Mr. Zimmerman who was just trying to make his neighborhood safe and now his life is ruined just because he protected himself from some kid who jumped him.

I relate much more to the first than the last, as I see in Zimmerman too many bad choices I would never make and can not relate too. Remember the line about not carrying a knife to a gun fight? Well, you don’t carry a gun to a fist fight either.
 
You claim to be a mother of a teen. If your teen was so upset that you had to take your teen to the hospital, you wouldn’t ask what the heck caused it?
Yeah, and my teen would just up and tell me everything in the midst of his panic attack or whatever? 🤷

Of course you are only telling us what you would do IF you had a telephone number to do it with…
 
No.

I’'m offering an opinion.
The affidavit for charges says that
Zimmerman perceived Trayvon to have
criminal intent - and that Zimmerman was
wrong in his perception and supposition.

None the less, Trayvon is dead.
Zimmerman labelled him as enemy-intruder.
The sceanrio ended when Zimmerman killed the boy.
Would Zimmerman have followed if he was unarmed?
Certainly doubtful.

Not rocket science. Simple logic.
Maybe so but your above post has NO relevance to what I successfully refuted earlier.
Everyone? No. Cops carry, soldiers carry.
Men/women who imagine they are “protecting”
their home turfs - and carry guns - it’s no stretch
fo me to imagine they are looking for trouble.
That post was a very generalized statement that never mentioned about Zimmerman or the case.
 
I think it is the relatability factor. So many see their own children in the face of Trayvon Martin, accused unjustly by a stranger with no authority, pursued, then killed,

and…

many see themselves in the face of Mr. Zimmerman who was just trying to make his neighborhood safe and now his life is ruined just because he protected himself from some kid who jumped him.

**I relate much more to the first than the last, as I see in Zimmerman too many bad choices I would never make and can not relate too. Remember the line about not carrying a knife to a gun fight? Well, you don’t carry a gun to a fist fight either. **
Total agreement from me!
 
I think it is the relatability factor. So many see their own children in the face of Trayvon Martin, accused unjustly by a stranger with no authority, pursued, then killed,

and…

many see themselves in the face of Mr. Zimmerman who was just trying to make his neighborhood safe and now his life is ruined just because he protected himself from some kid who jumped him.

I relate much more to the first than the last, as I see in Zimmerman too many bad choices I would never make and can not relate too. Remember the line about not carrying a knife to a gun fight? Well, you don’t carry a gun to a fist fight either.
Relatability, I agree. But to listen to some, the apocalypse might descend if Zimmerman is acquitted, when in fact the apocalypse failed to descend (except on a particular host’s network program ;)) after Casey Anthony was acquitted.
 
Zimmerman is now much smaller than he was in his old mug shot that we so many times. I knew that when I saw the video at the police station from the night of the shooting, his new mug shot and also the video of his first court appearance, but the excerpt from this article confirms it.

“Zimmerman housed apart at jail, makes purchases


According to a booking sheet, Zimmerman weighs 185 pounds and is 5 foot 8 inches tall. Tattoos include theatrical masks and a cross on the chest. He is listed as being unemployed.”…

Blue excerpt from: cnn.com/2012/04/12/justice/florida-zimmerman-jail/index.html?iref=obinsite
 
And once again Zimmerman has a violent past. He assaulted an officer. He threw a woman on the ground, getting fired. His neighbors have complained that he’s way to aggressive, in his “neighborhood watch duties.”

Does Martin have a similar type of past. Most found maybe tagging school, marijuana, but that isn’t the sign of a kid who is going to attack someone, with no provocation. In fact Martin’s friends have said he’s someone who avoids fights. Which doesn’t go together with somehow this kids need to attack someone who is 40 pounds heavier than him.
 
Maybe so but your above post has NO relevance to what I successfully refuted earlier.

That post was a very generalized statement that never mentioned about Zimmerman or the case.
You jumped into an ongoing discussion between me and another poster.
So sorry if you couldn’t follow the simple train of thought within THAT discussion.
 
Yeah, and my teen would just up and tell me everything in the midst of his panic attack or whatever? 🤷

Of course you are only telling us what you would do IF you had a telephone number to do it with…
The first thing the hospital does when someone is having a panic attack is to find out what happened. (Yes, I have experience with it)

Everyone has the number…

911.

"Hello, my daughter was on the phone with her boyfriend. It sounded like there was some sort of altercation and now he isn’t answering the phone. We are very worried about him.

He was in such and such neighborhood, walking.

Is there anything you can tell me?"
 
Then we’ll have to see. I’ve heard lawyers contradict each other umpteen times since this matter began.
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At the very least we would need to know why this incident should not be considered a crime. So far, we don’t have that information.
That should be in the charging statement.
 
I’m offering my opinion.
It’s as valid as yours - maybe more so.
If more so, I would love to hear how you substantiate your opinion with something other than “I think” or conjecture.

Opinions based on fact tend to carry more weight….
 
And once again Zimmerman has a violent past. He assaulted an officer. He threw a woman on the ground, getting fired. His neighbors have complained that he’s way to aggressive, in his “neighborhood watch duties.”

Does Martin have a similar type of past. Most found maybe tagging school, marijuana, but that isn’t the sign of a kid who is going to attack someone, with no provocation. In fact Martin’s friends have said he’s someone who avoids fights. Which doesn’t go together with somehow this kids need to attack someone who is 40 pounds heavier than him.
Trayvon’s past troubles have been brought up a number of times now.
And we are reminded that they are irrelevent.

I imagine the same goes for Zimmerman’s past.
 
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