Actually, I looked up the incident.skulk around
No, there are levels of reliability. Many you can trust. Women beaters, probably not. But I don’t know how you can conclude the shooting is self-defense without knowing how it started. Sure, we can agree Zimmerman was getting his butt kicked by a 158 lb 17 year old, but the actual beginning.In that case, we cannot rely on any of the verbal testimony as everyone has something that would indicate unreliability.
So based solely upon the injuries, the blood splatter, and the grass stains on Zimmerman’s back, we can conclude the shooting was a case of self defense.
Depends completely on where Martin was. It is possible that he had gone off path and went another direction and Zimmerman was heading back towards him and that’s when he chose to confront him.Actually, I looked up the incident.
I still do not know what “skulking” is, but I do know Zimmerman had lost Martin and was on his way back to his car.
This would mean his back was to Martin and he was walking away.
If Martin had chosen not to chase after him, he may well have been alive today.
I suspect you will propose only those witnesses that agree with you are reliable.No, there are levels of reliability.
We have the police investigation.I don’t know how you can conclude the shooting is self-defense without knowing how it started.
No. I generally don’t believe men who beat women no matter what their views are.I suspect you will propose only those witnesses that agree with you are reliable.
Yes, and that resulted in an indictment.We have the police investigation.
No, we don’t. Zimmerman didn’t know where Martin was. That’s why he was heading back to his car.We know Zimmerman was headed for his car, that would be a direction AWAY from Martin.
Oh, Martin went to the side and watched Zimmerman pass by and then come back.We are left with a couple of possibilities how their paths would have crossed again.
Either Martin turned around and followed Zimmerman…or Martin doubled back and around.
Nope, because you don’t know for sure where Martin was and neither did Zimmerman.Either way, it is now Martin, and not Zimmerman, that is following.
That can happen no matter who starts the fight.We also have the grass stains on the back of Zimmerman’s clothing that tells us he was violently thrown down on his back.
That also can happen no matter who starts the fight.We have the broken nose and other bruising on his face, telling us that he was hit multiple times in the face.
Yep, I think we can be pretty sure that Zimmerman couldn’t fight a lick. Doesn’t mean he didn’t start something.We also have an autopsy that shows Martin had no wounds one would associate with a fist fight other than bruising on his knuckles. Telling us that Zimmerman was not fighting back or was ineffective in fighting back.
Nope. It could be that Zimmerman started it and really stinks at fighting.All of the evidence indicates Zimmerman was violently attacked. This alone justifies the self defense shot that was fired.
Actually, at least one juror didn’t believe Zimmerman but felt that there was no way to convict him under Florida law.The verdict from the jury likewise supports this conclusion.
Zimmerman was headed to his car.Nope, because you don’t know for sure where Martin was and neither did Zimmerman.
You gotta ask why that would be.Actually, at least one juror didn’t believe Zimmerman but felt that there was no way to convict him under Florida law.
And it appears they are still stirred up.Unscrupulous people took a terrible human tragedy and used it to stir up fear and suspicion among the races.
They have been stirred up over centuries of racially motivated ill-treatment.And it appears they are still stirred up.
Agreed.That continuing problem has to be faced.
Perhaps. One thing is for sure, I don’t think that callng attention to the issue should be seen as unscrupulous pot-stirring.Though I am sure we differ on what we believe the remedy may be.
Again, it really depends on where Martin was. And Zimmerman didn’t know it, so you certainly don’t.Zimmerman was headed to his car.
Given that, Martin has to be proactive to meet up with him.
The evidence is very much in support of Martin as the aggressor.
No, I think it was more that the jurors couldn’t conclude what happened beyond a reasonable doubt because there was only one living witness.You gotta ask why that would be.
What is it under Florida law that insured Zimmerman a not guilty verdict even if they didn’t believe what Zimmerman said?
Could it be… physical evidence?
Well, I guess if a black kid walking through his neighborhood results in a call to police and an armed man chasing his through the development and eventually murdering him, I guess that will happen.Unscrupulous people took a terrible human tragedy and used it to stir up fear and suspicion among the races.
And we’re still waiting for you to tell us what about Martin made you think he was suspicious.And it appears they are still stirred up.
It will happen worse if people take this tragedy and stir up even more bad feelings on purpose.Unscrupulous people took a terrible human tragedy and used it to stir up fear and suspicion among the races.
There is righteous anger, which gives people the energy to solve injustice, and then there is provoking people to a higher pitch of rage to make sure reconciliation never occurs.
I guess if armed men didn’t follow black children through backyards because they are “suspicious” and murder them, then there wouldn’t be bad feelings.It will happen worse if people take this tragedy and stir up even more bad feelings on purpose .
There is righteous anger, which gives people the energy to solve injustice, and then there is provoking people to a higher pitch of rage to make sure reconciliation never occurs.
Agreed. I am bowing out.There is righteous anger, which gives people the energy to solve injustice, and then there is provoking people to a higher pitch of rage to make sure reconciliation never occurs.
This is one of the major complaints in Zimmerman’s lawsuit, specifically related to the interview with Trayvon’s girl friend. Here is Zimmerman’s comment (Crump was the Martin family attorney):Did the witness lie and how was this handled by the prosecution
You are in never never land. But I don’t know how you can conclude the shooting is self-defense without knowing how it started.
No, the court decided Zimmerman was not guilty. They did not decide it was self-defense. And save me the ‘never never land’ rudeness.You are in never never land
The case is over, the court already decided it was self defense.
This lawsuit isn’t about that.