German Bishops: ‘We Are Not Just a Subsidiary of Rome’

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HILDESHEIM, Germany — The upcoming Synod on the Family must lead to “further progress” towards finding a common position on fundamental issues, but it “cannot prescribe in detail what we have to do in Germany,” the president of the German bishops’ conference has said.
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Speaking to reporters Wednesday at the end of the bishops’ plenary meeting in Hildesheim, Cardinal Reinhard Marx said theological questions regarding marriage, the family and sexual morality could not be answered during the three weeks of the synod.
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He said he therefore hopes the synod will result in “a further discussion,” and said that it must find a text that “would lead to further progress” towards finding a common theological position on fundamental issues.
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m.ncregister.com/daily-news/german-bishops-we-are-not-just-a-subsidiary-of-rome/
 
Don’t think I want to touch this with a 20 foot pole…:)…not even a small base station. Whatever happens, I stand with the Vicar of Christ.
 
Questions… what questions? There are no questions in regards to these things. The Church’s position has been clear for 2000 years and everyone knows it. Interesting these fallible churchmen are coming from one of the few places that tells their faithful they must pay a 10% Church tax or be excommunicated… so let’s allow them to do whatever they want so they’ll continue paying it! Sorry German hierarchy… it doesn’t work that way. The Church was divinely instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ and any deviation from Her divine teaching can only be seen as Luciferian in nature. During the first reformation those against the Church left… this time around they think they’re going to stay! Faithful Catholics need to stand up to these people and drop the blind trust that is all to often given fallible men with holy orders. Germany has fallen so far their culture has produced naked feminists that jump onto altars during Christmas Masses to make a point; they think they’re going to try and influence the Church as a whole?! Shame on them!
 
Questions… what questions? There are no questions in regards to these things. The Church’s position has been clear for 2000 years and everyone knows it. Interesting these fallible churchmen are coming from one of the few places that tells their faithful they must pay a 10% Church tax or be excommunicated… so let’s allow them to do whatever they want so they’ll continue paying it! Sorry German hierarchy… it doesn’t work that way. The Church was divinely instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ and any deviation from Her divine teaching can only be seen as Luciferian in nature. During the first reformation those against the Church left… this time around they think they’re going to stay! Faithful Catholics need to stand up to them and drop the blind trust that is all too often given to fallible men with holy orders. The Church in Germany has fallen so far that their culture has produced naked feminists that jump onto altars during Christmas Masses to make a point; now they think they’re going to try and influence the Church as a whole?! Shame on them! I consider where I’m from to be the devil’s playground yet I’m sure glad I’m not from Germany!
 
Sounds like the "spirit of Luther " has merged with the "spirit of Vatican II ". At this point, as sad as it is to say, I would rather see the disenters just leave rather than continue to foment division.
Why does so much angst start with the Germans?
 
Even if German Bishops decide to “break away”, what does the Vatican do in regard to the faithful German Catholics? Does German law recognize that the Catholic Church own the Church buildings?
 
McCall1981 said:
This emphasis on independence (and the plan to create their own pastoral document) could mean that they are starting to think things will not go their way at the upcoming Synod.
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It has already been anticipated by some that an independent group (whether German or not) would further damage the essential characteristic of the Church as being “One” (She is one because of her source who is Christ.) I wonder how closely the bishops thought this one through as it is contra to the Profession of Faith.
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
Even if German Bishops decide to “break away”, what does the Vatican do in regard to the faithful German Catholics? Does German law recognize that the Catholic Church own the Church buildings?
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Good point. It’s not like the Germans have any financial problems at present. (They just bailed out Greece.)
 
Oh Cardinal Marx. Looks like someone is trying to flex their financial muscle. But a warning, look how the old “catholic” church turned out.
 
“He said he therefore hopes the synod will result in “a further discussion,” and said that it must find a text that “would lead to further progress” towards finding a common theological position on fundamental issues.”

Seems to me that the Church has had a common theological position on fundamental issues for quite a few centuries.
 
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Another major area of controversy at last year’s synod was an effort to emphasize the “positive aspects” of homosexual lifestyles. Although this and the Kasper proposal failed to receive a necessary two-thirds consensus, it remains in the lineamenta, or guidelines, for the upcoming October synod.
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In an interview last week with a local German newspaper, Bishop Koch also called for changes in the way the Church treats homosexual people, saying that to “portray homosexuality as a sin is hurtful.” He said the Church “needs a different language when it comes to homosexuals,” adding, “I know gay couples who value reliability and commitment and live these in an exemplary manner.”
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I do not think it uncharitable of me to call the German hierarchs dissenters and heretics. They no longer accept that two men committed to abusing each other is sinful???
 
JimG said:
“He said he therefore hopes the synod will result in “a further discussion,” and said that it must find a text that “would lead to further progress” towards finding a common theological position on fundamental issues.”

Seems to me that the Church has had a common theological position on fundamental issues for quite a few centuries.
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And I don’t believe the most recent theological assessment has said anything different either.

nvjournal.net/files/essays-front-page/recent-proposals-a-theological-assessment.pdf
 
I don’t want to fuel any fires, but I’m a little surprised that the German clergy is taking what could be a more liberal stance than that held by the Vatican, considering that not too long ago Pope Benedict XVI was in their ranks.
 
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