German bishops own publishing company which sells erotica

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I’m normally skeptical of LSN’s reporting, particularly when it comes to our bishops, but this seems difficult to explain in any other way. Does anyone have any other information on this story? I find this difficult to believe.
 
Joe_5859 said:
I’m normally skeptical of LSN’s reporting, particularly when it comes to our bishops, but this seems difficult to explain in any other way. Does anyone have any other information on this story? I find this difficult to believe.
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Well, the WELTBILD website does show that it sells books on Buddhism. If I find any porn, I’ll let you know.:rolleyes:
 
Ahimsa said:
Well, the WELTBILD website does show that it sells books on Buddhism. If I find any porn, I’ll let you know.:rolleyes:
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Interesting. The only thing I could think of is that maybe LSN’s label of “porn” is just a sensationalistic exaggeration. The article does seem devoid of any details as to why these books qualify as porn.

Which is not to say that there isn’t a story here. I could deal without the sensationalism, though.
 
Joe_5859 said:
I’m normally skeptical of LSN’s reporting, particularly when it comes to our bishops, but this seems difficult to explain in any other way. Does anyone have any other information on this story? I find this difficult to believe.
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What articles have you found to be proven false by LifeSite News?
I haven’t found any, but then I have not read all articles over a long period of time.

Thanks.
 
The “CATHOLIC” definition of porn for all Catholics is the same.

CCC - " 2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties.
It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world.
It is a grave offense.
Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials. "
 
ANNE_2 said:
What articles have you found to be proven false by LifeSite News?
I haven’t found any, but then I have not read all articles over a long period of time.

Thanks.
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It’s been discussed many times over in other threads. I don’t want to derail the thread by rehashing all the examples.

I respect their mission and their fervor. I don’t always agree with their journalistic standards. That’s just my opinion, though.
 
Ahimsa said:
Well, the WELTBILD website does show that it sells books on Buddhism. If I find any porn, I’ll let you know.:rolleyes:
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My knowledge of the German language ends with the numbers 1-20, so I really cannot delve into the website. I do find it odd that the German bishops are 100% owners of a company that is selling the latest Transformers movie on DVD. 🤷 I can’t see that ever happening on the USCCB Publishing website.

Actually, I think the thread title is not entirely accurate. Weltbild appears to be a book seller not a book publisher.

Are there any German speakers who can shed some light on this? :o
 
From the LSN article, this paragraph doesn’t sit right with me:

Another faithful Catholic, Bernhard Mueller, the editor-in-chief of the Catholic magazine PUR, was himself involved in trying to have the bishops resolve the scandal internally. Now, PUR’s front page story covering the current state of affairs is titled “Bishops as porn producers.”

So this guy had been dilligently trying to resolve the situation internally, and then when the story breaks, he chooses the most provocative and scandal-inducing headline possible? That just doesn’t add up to me.
 
Okay, I’m sorry for the post blitz. :o I was just poking around some more and came across the English part of their website via Wikipedia.

Very odd. It seems like the German bishops owning Weltbild would be akin to the US bishops owning Amazon.com. I can see how that would create some problems.

It seems the major beef is with the actual publisher Droemer Knaur (which is 50% owned by Weltbild). That is whom LSN identifies as the producers of the “pornographic novels”.

So the question I am left with is, has LSN accurately identified these nameless German-language books as “pornographic novels”? I am skeptical.

Not to say that there is no scandal here. Even if the novels aren’t actually porn but more along the lines of Danielle Steele, that would still be scandalous.

After I typed that last part, I found the “Romantik” section of Droemer Knaur’s website which actually contains German language versions of some of Danielle Steele’s books. :o

I think that this is most regrettable and definitely needs to be addressed, but LSN has done a disservice by making it out to be something it is not. With a headline like “German Bishops caught in massive porn scandal” and lines like “with covers too sexually explicit to reproduce”, they leave readers with the mistaken impression that the bishops are purveyors of actual pornography.
 
Joe_5859 said:
I’m normally skeptical of LSN’s reporting, particularly when it comes to our bishops, but this seems difficult to explain in any other way. Does anyone have any other information on this story? I find this difficult to believe.
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Well, I have looked at two articles on www.welt.de about this, and, yes, it seems to be true. Actually the German stories are even more appalling because they have pictures of the covers of the books, and thats why I am not giving links to the stories.

There is really no excuse. A lot of the objectionable books are from one line, called Blue Panther, which specialises in erotic literature. It should have taken 10 seconds, not even 10 years, for some Catholic bishop to say, “We are not selling this rubbish any more.”
 
Joe_5859 said:
So the question I am left with is, has LSN accurately identified these nameless German-language books as “pornographic novels”? I am skeptical.

Not to say that there is no scandal here. Even if the novels aren’t actually porn but more along the lines of Danielle Steele, that would still be scandalous.
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They are not nameless. The titles are given in the German stories, but I can’t given the translation on this site-- that is how bad they are. We are not talking Danielle Steele stuff.
 
Thanks for the additional info. My kneejerk response to an article by LSN criticizing the bishops is that they are grossly overexaggerating. :o This appears not to be the case here. Those titles/covers are much more lurid that the ones I found in my search. Mea culpa.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Thanks for the additional info. My kneejerk response to an article by LSN criticizing the bishops is that they are grossly overexaggerating. :o This appears not to be the case here. Those titles/covers are much more lurid that the ones I found in my search. Mea culpa.
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From what I can see it would be like the American bishops owning Amazon and their erotica section. The books are pornography any way you slice it.
 
garysibio said:
Here’s another article on this atrocity: Here’s How The Catholic Church Is Profiting In The German Erotic Novel Industry businessinsider.com/catholic-church-german-porn-industry-2011-10?utm_source=twbutton&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=europe via @BI_Europe
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Can people please stop saying ¨The Catholic Church¨ is involved in all this? Its a group of Bishops that are doing this not the whole Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is one body of which Christ is the head and we as believers are individual members of that same body.

It is offensive to me lump all of us Catholic’s together with the actions of certain German Bishops. And I don’t want to hear “you know what I am talking about I don’t mean all Catholic’s”. The media whenever a scandal occurs always says the “Catholic Church this or the Catholic Church that” and makes it look like all of us are doing it and that irritates me to no end.

To have other Catholic’s use the same phrasing as the media does gets a big :tsktsk: from me.

God bless
 
TempleofTheSoul said:
Can people please stop saying ¨The Catholic Church¨ is involved in all this? Its a group of Bishops that are doing this not the whole Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is one body of which Christ is the head and we as believers are individual members of that same body.

It is offensive to me lump all of us Catholic’s together with the actions of certain German Bishops. And I don’t want to hear “you know what I am talking about I don’t mean all Catholic’s”. The media whenever a scandal occurs always says the “Catholic Church this or the Catholic Church that” and makes it look like all of us are doing it and that irritates me to no end.

To have other Catholic’s use the same phrasing as the media does gets a big :tsktsk: from me.

God bless
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In the post above yours, and the one I am guessing bothered you,
Originally Posted by garysibio
Here’s another article on this atrocity: Here’s How The Catholic Church Is Profiting In The German Erotic Novel Industry businessinsider.com/catho…ampaign=europe via @BI_Europe
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“Here’s How the Catholic Church is Profiting in the German Erotic Novel Industry” is the title of the article – not what a Catholic forum-member wrote. Unfortunately, it seems there is no getting around the fact that the Catholic Church *in Germany *is indeed involved.
 
GraceSofia said:
In the post above yours, and the one I am guessing bothered you, “Here’s How the Catholic Church is Profiting in the German Erotic Novel Industry” is the title of the article – not what a Catholic forum-member wrote. Unfortunately, it seems there is no getting around the fact that the Catholic Church *in Germany *is indeed involved.
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Oooops… I apologize then for the mistake directly to **garysibio ** in thinking it was you who were saying this… :o That´s what happens when you don´t read the links.

I am giving myself the :tsktsk: for not paying attention better!! argh!

God bless
 
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