German Catholic Bishops Publish Interview Promoting the Idea of Women Cardinals

[Tomdstone]

The ones who are influential tend to support…essentially the destruction of marriage.

The pro SS ;people say they are encouraging more people to marry by endorsing SS marriage. This is not destroying marriage, but supporting and enlarging the concept of marriage.

 

[Mongo]

Actually, a hypothetically a woman could become a bishop, but to be Pope requires one to be a priest (becoming a priest can occur after election, but they must be a priest before becoming Pope).

The issue isn’t that there is scant evidence, the issue is that there is scant evidence and contradictory hard evidence. along with an implausibly long gap between when it was alleged to have occurred and when the stories started.

No, a bishop Is primarily a priest. There are three levels of ordination in the Catholic Church; deacon, priest, and bishop. A bishop can’t be a bishop without first being a priest. As bishop he is the source of the priesthood and consequently the sacraments in the particular church. The bishop is the president or presider over the liturgy and the sacraments performed in union with him. It is possible that a layman could be chosen as bishop like St Ambrose, but first they must be ordained as a priest.

 

[Mongo]

The pro SS ;people say they are encouraging more people to marry by endorsing SS marriage. This is not destroying marriage, but supporting and enlarging the concept of marriage.

By emptying it of meaning. They can argue that they have expanded it, but ultimately they have made it meaningless by including everything within the definition. If I were to argue that a man who was five feet tall was tall, it would make the word ‘tall’ meaningless because it now includes practically every man.

 

[abucs]

By emptying it of meaning. They can argue that they have expanded it, but ultimately they have made it meaningless by including everything within the definition. If I were to argue that a man who was five feet tall was tall, it would make the word ‘tall’ meaningless because it now includes practically every man.

I agree, it is an attempted redefinition of culture and a forced acceptance of the new culture.

If I want to grow the number of planets by including big asteroids etc, all i am doing is forcing through a redefinition of the word planet, I am not increasing the number of planets.

 

[Thorolfr]

I agree, it is an attempted redefinition of culture and a forced acceptance of the new culture.

If I want to grow the number of planets by including big asteroids etc, all i am doing is forcing through a redefinition of the word planet, I am not increasing the number of planets.

Actually Pluto was demoted from being the ninth “planet”. Now it’s no longer a full fledged “planet” but is only a “dwarf planet.” So the word “planet” has recently been redefined.

In 2005, Eris, which is 27% more massive than Pluto, was discovered, which led the International Astronomical Union (IAU) to define the term “planet” formally for the first time the following year.[14] This definition excluded Pluto and reclassified it as a member of the new “dwarf planet” category.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto

 

[Tomdstone]

… ultimately they have made it meaningless by including everything within the definition.

I doubt that everything is included within the definition of SS marriage. They do not advocate marrying 2 yr. old children, for example,

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

No, a bishop Is primarily a priest. There are three levels of ordination in the Catholic Church; deacon, priest, and bishop. A bishop can’t be a bishop without first being a priest. As bishop he is the source of the priesthood and consequently the sacraments in the particular church. The bishop is the president or presider over the liturgy and the sacraments performed in union with him. It is possible that a layman could be chosen as bishop like St Ambrose, but first they must be ordained as a priest.

My apologies, I was confusing deacons and bishops. Women can be made deacons as it is not an ordain position, this is how Archbishop Durocher can advocate for women becoming deacons and still be in perfectly good standing

 

[Corki]

My apologies, I was confusing deacons and bishops. Women can be made deacons as it is not an ordain position, this is how Archbishop Durocher can advocate for women becoming deacons and still be in perfectly good standing

Deacons** are **ordained. To advocate for women deacons is either to advocate for women’s ordination or to advocate for the creation of a different non-clerical role that is not an ordained role and call it a “woman deacon” or deaconess.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Deacons** are **ordained. To advocate for women deacons is either to advocate for women’s ordination or to advocate for the creation of a different non-clerical role that is not an ordained role and call it a “woman deacon” or deaconess.

So are you saying Archbishop Durocher is a heretic or not knowledgeable about theology?

 

[Corki]

So are you saying Archbishop Durocher is a heretic or not knowledgeable about theology?

No, I am saying that it is impossible to make an assumption about what he said without knowing whether he was advocating ordaining women or resurrecting the former order of deaconesses (not ordained).

Even if he was advocating ordaining women, I don’t think that is heresy. It’s dissent and there have been many dissenting leaders in our Church over the centuries. Sad but something one has to deal with.

 

[abucs]

Actually Pluto was demoted from being the ninth “planet”. Now it’s no longer a full fledged “planet” but is only a “dwarf planet.” So the word “planet” has recently been redefined.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto

Thanks. I was going to use that as an example. My original post mentioned Pluto before i amended it The point is that the definitions are arbitrary but the underlying reality stays the same.

 

[Neithan]

I think it’s a great idea. As others have mentioned, the cardinalate would have to be entirely reworked. Pope Francis phased out monsignors, but he’s not going to do this.

The holy father made a good point when he said women should not be “clericalized” to gain power in the church. Perhaps there is another way for women to become electors and hold more influential positions in the Vatican. I understand concerns that this would appear to “liberalize” the church, and we’ve seen so many consistently awful consequences of liberalization that we automatically think liberal=evil. But that’s not always the case.

 

[TMC]

I think it’s a great idea. As others have mentioned, the cardinalate would have to be entirely reworked. Pope Francis phased out monsignors, but he’s not going to do this.

The holy father made a good point when he said women should not be “clericalized” to gain power in the church. Perhaps there is another way for women to become electors and hold more influential positions in the Vatican. I understand concerns that this would appear to “liberalize” the church, and we’ve seen so many consistently awful consequences of liberalization that we automatically think liberal=evil. But that’s not always the case.

You have identified the problem, I think. The Pope doesn’t want to “clericalize” women. But the way the Church is currently structured only clerics have any real power or influence. So how do you meaningfully involve women without making them clerics? I think that it what the German suggestion is trying to get at. It might not be the best solution, but at least people are thinking about how to get at the issue.