German Muslim professor expressed his doubt that Muhammad ever lived.

[planten]

The Koran NEVER says that an unbeliever MUST be hostile to be designated as Kafir. Stop telling lies about your scripture please

The light meaning of the word Kafir helped many of you to blame the Muslims and Islam. But it was all in the Quran. A Kafir is a devil and enemy of the truth. He/she fights the truthful people. Islam does not teach us to disturb any innocent person. There is a clear verse about that. But you seem to be ignorant about everything of Islam. May be you were a fake Muslim before conversion.

 

[planten]

You are a non-Muslim. You are a christian. If you do not fight Islam and you have no intention to harm Islam then you are not a Kafir. You may be a Jew or a christian or a Hindu.

Peaceful discussion does not harm any one. I believe in peaceful Islam and love for all peaceful people.

 

[planten]

kafir means non-believer
the indonesian language absorbed the word kafir = non-believer

That is being kind and over simplistic. Indonesian language is not Arabic. Every non-believer is not Kafir. Kafir is always harbi i.e. the enemy of Islam, like the dare-devil (Al-Shaitan) is called Kafir (Wa Kana min al Kafireen). Do you think Shaitan is a mere disbeliever or he is an open declared enemy?

There is no need to see anything from wikipedia.

from wikipedia :

Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning “rejecter” or “ingrate”.** In the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term refers to a person who does not recognize God (Allah) or the prophethood of Muhammad (i.e., any non-Muslim)** or who hides, denies, or covers the truth. In cultural terms, it is seen as a derogatory term used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, apostate from Islam and even between Muslims of different sects. It is usually translated into English as “infidel” or “unbeliever”.

The islamic law (sharia) distinguishes three types of kafirs:

1. kafir dhimmi, a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia law
2. kafir harbi, a non-Muslim living in a non-Muslim country
3. kafir musta’min, a harbi visiting a Muslim country for less than a year.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

yes, kafir can be used by anyone to describe a non-believer
if you are a muslim, it applies to anyone who’s not

Again you are saying that kafir is a non-believer. It is true but he is a different kind of non-believer. he is a combatant, hostile disbeliever. If you were a Muslim then I could have given you a very good clear example of a Kafir.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam /peace

related info :

How Should Muslims Deal with Non-Muslims?

"Allah does not forbid you

from those who do not fight you in the matters of your religion and those

**who did not expel you from your homes, that you show them courtesy **and kindness and act justly with them because Allah loves those who are Just."

(Al-Mumtahanah: 8)

Allah says,

"Co-operate with each other in matters of righteousness and piety and

do not co-operate in matters of aggression and sin."

(Al-Ma’idah: 2)

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546344

 

[Allan_M]

Please do not judge Islam by what the Muslim countries are doing. Do not mix politics with religion. You must have noticed Paris in France is a christian city /country. Do you know what goes on in the city? Will you take that as a christian behaviour? Surely not. So please understand the reply to your question. We respect your attitude of tolerance and decency.

Islam does fix politics and religion ,some muslim countries are ruled by the laws of islam, westeren countries are not ruled by the teaching of scripter and tradition of the Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t judge these countries or faiths by the actions of the individual but I do ask questions about the actions taken in the name of God the Father, such as execution, amputation, and incarsaration. If a country does this in the name of their domestic law then that is an injustice, if a country does these kind of things in the name of God then that is a corruption… Please do not be offended, but these are things that I would like to hear answered.

God bless.

 

[Angelos]

The light meaning of the word Kafir helped many of you to blame the Muslims and Islam. But it was all in the Quran. A Kafir is a devil and enemy of the truth. He/she fights the truthful people. Islam does not teach us to disturb any innocent person. There is a clear verse about that. But you seem to be ignorant about everything of Islam. May be you were a fake Muslim before conversion.

The light meaning of Kafir? LOL Now you have finally agreed that Kafir does not only mean enemy of Islam, but any person that does not believe and live as Islam teaches. Thanks for the confession.

The real question you Muslims must answer is “Who is an innocent person according to the Koran?” Surah 9:29 regards ALL non-Muslims as KAFIR that must be humiliated and forced to pay jizyah. DO you think those non-Muslims were not innocent because they did not embrace Islam?

Do you think a Christian writer who hates wars and suicide attacks (terror) can be considered innocent by Muslims if he criticises the Koran verses supporting jihaad?

 

[Angelos]

You are a non-Muslim. You are a christian. If you do not fight Islam and you have no intention to harm Islam then you are not a Kafir. You may be a Jew or a christian or a Hindu.

Peaceful discussion does not harm any one. I believe in peaceful Islam and love for all peaceful people.

Could you please clarify your statement by explaining what you mean when you say people should not fight Islam? Can a Christian who openly denies and criticises certain Islamic tenets or the content of the Koran remain an innocent Christian according to the Islamic mentality??? For instance, am I considered an innocent Christian or a Kafir because of what I write about Islam???

 

[Allan_M]

Salaam/peace

Christians claim Jesus (p) taught them to turn other cheek .

Can you give me one simple example when in the past or present Christians obeyed their Saviour ?

This is a genuine question not looking for a fight

I can give you many examples from my own life, but how can I boast of my own actions when God the Father gives me the grace to carry them out. Please forgive me if I offended you in my last question, you’re answer seemed to contain a little attatude.
But back to the point can you show me a muslim country that neighbours a non-muslim country and co-exsist?

 

[planten]

Islam does fix politics and religion ,some muslim countries are ruled by the laws of islam, westeren countries are not ruled by the teaching of scripter and tradition of the Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t judge these countries or faiths by the actions of the individual but I do ask questions about the actions taken in the name of God the Father, such as execution, amputation, and incarsaration. If a country does this in the name of their domestic law then that is an injustice, **if a country does these kind of things in the name of God then that is a corruption… **Please do not be offended, but these are things that I would like to hear answered.

God bless.

There is no answer to corruption.

 

[Allan_M]

There is no answer to corruption.

Then don’t point the finger at other countries.
BTW Jesus is the answer to corruption

 

[Angelos]

Salaam /peace

How Should Muslims Deal with Non-Muslims?

"Allah does not forbid you

from those who do not fight you in the matters of your religion and those

**who did not expel you from your homes, that you show them courtesy **and kindness and act justly with them because Allah loves those who are Just."

(Al-Mumtahanah: 8)

Your forget that the following verse is in the same Koran:

Surah 9:29
Fight against such of those** who have been given the Scripture** as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

Or the following verse:

Surah 5:57
O Ye who believe! Choose not for guardians such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers.

Or this one:

Surah 5:51
O ye who believe! **Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. **They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! **Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. **

Allah says,

"Co-operate with each other in matters of righteousness and piety and

do not co-operate in matters of aggression and sin."

(Al-Ma’idah: 2)

What about the following verse in the same Koran?

Surah 5:64
The Jews say: Allah’s hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are accursed for saying so. Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in bounty. He bestoweth as He will. That which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them, and We have cast among them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection.

 

[planten]

Then don’t point the finger at other countries.
BTW Jesus is the answer to corruption

Have it the way you like, But do not disown your responsibility towards your people and do not leave them sunk deep in sinful life and giving them a free holiday. That would also be kind of corruption of the church.

That is the washing off the hands about what is going on right under the nose of the church in those western countries.

Would you please permit me to object to all that. I admitted the corruption in the muslim countries. Would you admit the same for the christian countries? I do not mind if Jesus is the answer to corruption. Let him come and correct it in all countries.

 

[mark_a]

Location: University of Münster - Germany.
Name: Professor Muhammad Sven Kalisch.
Link: spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,579052,00.html

Since the Interview was done with another researcher (Michael Marx), I wonder if someone can get us more information about Professor Muhammad Sven Kalisch research, I’ve tried to search for it at the University site, but it seems all links are in German language.

I remember seeing on the “Walking the Bible” series on PBS that at St. Catherine’s Orthodox monastery, they have a promise from Muhammed, complete with original handprint, not to destroy the monastery.

 

[Allan_M]

Have it the way you like, But do not disown your responsibility towards your people and do not leave them sunk deep in sinful life and giving them a free holiday. That would also be kind of corruption of the church.

That is the washing off the hands about what is going on right under the nose of the church in those western countries.

Would you please permit me to object to all that. I admitted the corruption in the muslim countries. Would you admit the same for the christian countries? I do not mind if Jesus is the answer to corruption. Let him come and correct it in all countries.

I agree with you… Only a fool would try to defend the immorality of the west and the east, indeed of all mankind, and with respect you don’t know what I do for my neighbour I have not washed my hands of those who don’t know about God. Christ, using the normal channels of evangilistaion does not have access to a vast mount of muslim countries, the normal channels being people.

 

[trustme80]

Kafir is always harbi i.e. the enemy of Islam, like the dare-devil (Al-Shaitan) is called Kafir (Wa Kana min al Kafireen). Do you think Shaitan is a mere disbeliever or he is an open declared enemy?

Again you are saying that kafir is a non-believer. It is true but he is a different kind of non-believer. he is a combatant, hostile disbeliever. If you were a Muslim then I could have given you a very good clear example of a Kafir.

shaitan/satan is called a kafir because because satan rebelled against God, that’s one definition, there are others

kufr : “that which covers the truth”, infidelity, blasphemy, rebellion against God, disbelieving in the Qur’an or any of the tenets of islam ( rejects the faith ).

someone who commits kufr is a kafir

here’s some verses :

But they who disbelieve (wa’llazina kafaru), and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein ( 2:39 )

exact word kafir :

waaaminuu bimaa anzaltu mushaddiqan limaa ma’akum walaa takuunuu awwala kaafirin bihi walaa tasytaruu bi-aayaatii tsamanan qaliilan wa-iyyaaya faittaquuni ( 2:41 )

And believe in what I reveal, Confirming the revelation which is with you, And be not the first to reject faith therein, Nor sell My signs for a small price, and fear me and me alone’ ( 2 : 41 )

huwa alladzii khalaqakum faminkum kaafirun waminkum mu/minun waallaahu bimaa ta’maluuna bashiirun ( 64:2 )

It is He who has created you; and of you are some that are unbelievers, and some that are believers; and Allah sees well all that ye do’ ( 64 : 2 )

so, it doesnt mean he/she has to be a combatant, hostile nonbeliever, etc. for a non-muslim to be called kafir.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/ peace

I can give you many examples from my own life,

I am not asking about personal incidents. After 9/11 , why Christian majority countries attacked Afghanistan ?

Based on lies , why Christians majority countries attacked Iraq ?

Why Crusaders killed thousands & thousands Muslims including kids ?

can you show me a muslim country that neighbours a non-muslim country and co-exsist

Bangladesh

 

[Allan_M]

Salaam/ peace

I am not asking about personal incidents. After 9/11 , why Christian majority countries attacked Afghanistan ?

Based on lies , why Christians majority countries attacked Iraq ?

Why Crusaders killed thousands & thousands Muslims including kids ?

Bangladesh

Thank you for you answer. OK you’re not looking for personal incidents, you should have said that. Perhaps then nation wide incidents… Like the continued acceptence of muslims into western society, western cultuer, westeren countries when people claiming to represent islam kill our people, including kids, like the thousands of aid workers who go to oppressed islamic states at their own risk to help muslims, or perhaps the Billions spent on aid to islamic countries when Saudi is the most wealthy Kingdom on the face of the planet. These kind if incidents… Is it these kinds of examples you mean… And you still go on about crusaders…

 

[R_not]

Please do not judge Islam by what the Muslim countries are doing. Do not mix politics with religion. You must have noticed Paris in France is a christian city /country. Do you know what goes on in the city? Will you take that as a christian behaviour? Surely not. So please understand the reply to your question. We respect your attitude of tolerance and decency.

islam IS POLITICAL! Or else we wouldn’t see things such as islam’s sharia law in lands where muslims rule. Or even the fact that they want sharia law in our lands too.

They are unable to separate church and state, that is also why they are trying to bring back segregation in our lands under the guise of ‘modesty’. What the segregation is that they find us dirty (lower than pigs, dogs and feces), and they find their own women dirty. There is no training of their young muslim males accountability for poor behavior if they are unable to control themselves around women. Instead, they restrict women and make them wear tents, scarves, and keep away from them.

We are judging islam by they are doing in our countries along with what they are doing in muslim countries - because they want our country to become like those muslim countries. Look at Lebanon, or even the Balkans, as examples. When the muslims become a certain number - they start their violence in those countries. Since we don’t keep up with history - we blame the Christians in the Balkans for fighting back. Instead, what we never hear are the gross atrocities that happen in those countries - the torture, the deaths, the rapes, the kidnappings, the fear and just downright thug rule that muslims start.

A good book to read about what happened to Lebanon - what used to be known as the 'Middle Eastern Riviera that is now a muslim pig sty of violence - is ‘Because They Hate’.

‘Legacy of Jihad’, ‘The Myth of Islamic Tolerance’ are also good.

 

[R_not]

You are a non-Muslim. You are a christian. If you do not fight Islam and you have no intention to harm Islam then you are not a Kafir. You may be a Jew or a christian or a Hindu.

Peaceful discussion does not harm any one. I believe in peaceful Islam and love for all peaceful people.

What planten is not saying is that even when you bring up their own koran, hadiths and history (current and past) they consider that fighting islam and consider one a kafur. What they want is complete acceptance. The only peace muslims acknowledge is death, conversion or subjugation of the non-muslims.

Centrality of Jihad in islam
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=CEFECC23-C7F3-451D-B9C4-AF07A0E41DE2

 

[Zlatan]

Salaam/peace

lol…anyone denies any messenger of God Almighty is not a Muslim at all.

if you deny mohammed ever existed you can still be a muslim because all the word muslim means is “one who submits to god” and many religions beleive in doing that, but you cant deny he ever existed and be a mohamdean muslim