German Synodal Path proposes to declare same-sex and infertile relationships “fertile”

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This is the kind of thing that whips up false expectations among people.

Those who say: “Well, we should just let them have the ‘debate’ indefinitely, if it makes them feel better…”

Maybe. Maybe eventually they’ll find their way to the end of this “debate” and feel better for having had it.

Or maybe the very whipping up of this artificial “debate” (that can never have any other outcome than that already infallibly defined by the Church) is artificially manufacturing false hopes and expectations in generation after generation of people, and setting each new person up to crash hard when they have to keep being told “no” to a question they should never have been encouraged to ask in the first place.

It’s like telling people to petition the Church for flying ponies. The Church can’t give flying ponies. But encouraging hordes of people to demand flying ponies and debate whether the Church ‘should’ give them flying ponies, is setting hordes of people up to feel unnecessarily disappointed at the end of the day when they don’t have a flying pony. And that mass disappointment won’t be the Church’s fault: it’ll be the fault of the activists who whipped up false and impossible hopes and expectations.
 
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We have an extremely vocal pope. He weighs in on many many issues. Has he addressed this synod and the agenda it’s pushing?
 
Recently there was a thread on here questioning whether or not Archbishop Vigano was promoting schism with his questioning of Vatican ll. Many who responded to that thread agreed that he in fact was, with some not too kind words for the Archbishop. But what these German bishops are promoting is heretical…no? I mean, who’s the most serious threat to the Catholic Faith here??? Or am I missing something?
 
You mean I’m absolutely, positively, for sure not going to get a flying pony?

Well, there goes my evening…

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For some reason my comment doesn’t really show which post I’m referring to, either…

For the record (for whatever this matters), I made my earlier comment as a direct reply not to the OP but to the poster directly above me who posted a video he said is arguing for women priests.

I haven’t actually clicked the links in the OP or second poster to see the specific content they’re describing.
 
Yeah, there is a double standard on the forums for sure. I’m rooting for the German Church to separate. Better out than in my grandma used to say when she burped.
 
I don’t understand why so many people - even clergy! - want to change Catholic teaching. We do not live in an age where you are forced to be a Catholic if you don’t agree with it.
 
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Yeah, there is a double standard on the forums for sure. I’m rooting for the German Church to separate. Better out than in my grandma used to say when she burped.
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That is contrary to the evangelical mission of the Church. She already has the tool to deal with heresy, excommunication. Which does not separate from the Church, but only from her sacramental life. The idea being to correct, not punish, and get the heretic to repent. Booting someone out is in any case not possible. It’s not the Church’s job to cut someone off from the source of salvation. It’s her job to bring the errant sheep back to the fold, on her shoulders if need be.
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I don’t understand why so many people - even clergy! - want to change Catholic teaching. We do not live in an age where you are forced to be a Catholic if you don’t agree with it.
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We remain Catholic from our baptism forward. That is Church teaching. Some people of good will (let’s start from a position of charity) see benefit in change while still remaining profoundly attached to the Church and her sacraments. Many times these positions come from some of their own deep hurts, for whatever reason.

They deserve to be heard, with the Church of course having every right to say no, just as a loving mother will not stop loving and listening to her child but sometimes says a firm but loving “no” when it’s in the child’s best interest.

The Church, being the Bride of Christ, is mother to us all, and her clergy, especially her leaders, need to be mindful of that fact.
 
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Recently there was a thread on here questioning whether or not Archbishop Vigano was promoting schism with his questioning of Vatican ll. Many who responded to that thread agreed that he in fact was, with some not too kind words for the Archbishop. But what these German bishops are promoting is heretical…no? I mean, who’s the most serious threat to the Catholic Faith here??? Or am I missing something?
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In that thread which I created I also posted articles by Fr. Thomas Weinandy regarding Vigano which commented on the German Church.


 
»We are ze Germanss und we decide zis fur ourselves, sank you!«
 
The problem is that deep down in their souls, these people realize the Catholic Church is the Body of Christ and want it.

However, knowing that, they wish to change it to reflect the sinful desires of their own heart. They somehow think that if they can get the Church to change to their sinful desires, then they can change God’s will (deep in their hearts they know of the sinfulness but their craven sinful desires must be justified in their active mind).

They are some of the most despicable people I’ve ever seen. At least people who leave the Church have the courage to freely do it, and not try to alter it for their own sins. They sicken me…and need our prayers for repentance. Personally I find these people some of the hardest to pray for, although I do try…don’t want to see any in Hell.
 
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That is contrary to the evangelical mission of the Church. She already has the tool to deal with heresy, excommunication. Which does not separate from the Church, but only from her sacramental life. The idea being to correct, not punish, and get the heretic to repent. Booting someone out is in any case not possible. It’s not the Church’s job to cut someone off from the source of salvation. It’s her job to bring the errant sheep back to the fold, on her shoulders if need be. We remain Ca…
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I agree with you that excommunication should be used much more freely as a tool to bring people back to Christ (medicine for the soul). It is for their souls which we worry, and the damage their actions do to the souls of others.

There is no good will on their part. It is active desire to self justify their sins. Nothing more. The Sacrament of Confession is spat upon, the Body of Christ is debased by them. When we do not conform ourselves to Christ, instead justify ourselves, we lead ourselves so far away from Him.

They do not need to be heard when they sin. It is fully an act of saying why then sin and how it is not so bad. Pure self justification.

When I sin, I need to and do freely acknowledge my sins. I make no self justification; heck, that is a sin which must be confessed. These people need firm guidance, not a pat on the back saying “You’re a good boy, don’t worry about it. You’re forgiven (but it’s not really needed). We love you; nothing you do will lead you out of heaven.”

That is why the bad priests flourish…unrepentant sinners hear “mercy”, without the second half of God “justice.”

These horrid Germans who attack the true Church are in literal heresy. Excommunication would be the best medicine for their soul…they’d either take it or throw it away, but they would be given an obvious choice.
 
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I don’t understand why so many people - even clergy! - want to change Catholic teaching. We do not live in an age where you are forced to be a Catholic if you don’t agree with it.
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I remember reading an article a while back where the author spelled out the overall strategy for a particular controversial topic (my memory fails, but I believe it was regarding same sex marriage). He said the first step was to get tolerance, but his longer term goals were “acceptance” and then “celebration.” People get their feelings hurt when others view their behaviors, views and practices as wrong…mere tolerance is not good enough.

So they want to change Church teaching because Church teaching hurts their feelings, despite being healthy for their soul. They can’t stand the idea of going to another Church…they can’t stand tolerance…they must assimilate (in “Borg-like” fashion) all dissenting people, and their views must have celebration. (Hello Pride Month) And they will use the state to accomplish their goals. (How many times has that Colorado baker been sued?)
 
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