Supporters and opponents of a group campaigning against what it sees as the “Islamisation” of Europe have held rival rallies across Germany.
There have been weekly protests by the Patriotic Europeans against the Islamisation of the West (Pegida) since October.
A record 18,000 people turned out on Monday at one rally in Dresden.
But counter demonstrations have sprung up and the group has been condemned by senior German politicians.
Thousands of people marched in Berlin, Cologne, Dresden and Stuttgart.
In Berlin, police said that some 5,000 counter-demonstrators blocked hundreds of Pegida supporters from marching along their planned route.
bbc.com/news/world-europe-30685842A total of 22,000 anti-Pegida demonstrators rallied in Stuttgart, Muenster and Hamburg, according to the DPS news agency.
The UN has expressed concern over new Lebanese restrictions on Syrian refugees aimed at slowing the influx of asylum seekers escaping civil war.
The UN wants the government to clarify whether the “most vulnerable refugees” can still gain access to Lebanon.
bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30685174Travel between the two countries was previously largely unrestricted, but now Syrians will have to obtain a visa.
The fact is, immigration causes more problems than it fixes and people are starting to wake up to this fact.Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped.
I think it was NPR which reported that these protests are not what they seem on the surface. The responses vary when you ask the people on the ground why they are there. Many aren’t there protesting “Islamization” at all but are piggy-backing to protest other issues.There are more protests going on in Germany against Islam. I don’t know which side I’m on; I can see both. I do think this is what happens when you force political correctness for too long without healthy open debate, without a serious examination of immigration policies before reaching this point.
Pegida now has groups in Denmark, Norway, and Spain, and I expect there numbers will grow. :thumbsup:bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372The growing anti-Islam/immigration protests are the healthy response of people who are sick of watching their countries being turned into another 3rd world nation. what the main steam media refuses to talk about is the massive problems that come along with welcoming these people into Europe. Take a look at Sweden that is only a decade away from becoming a 3rd world country and has a massive rape crisis going on where Muslims
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The fact is, immigration causes more problems than it fixes and people are starting to wake up to this fact.
Germany Pegida: Protest leader quits amid Hitler row
It is not just Sweden, take a look at England and what has been going on in Rotherham. 1400 British girls, some as young as 11 were gang raped and pimped out by Pakistani Muslims and the police along with other social services covered it up for over a decade, all because they were afraid of being accused of racism. Muslims are a serious problem, they find rape a socially acceptable thing to do. Their attitude is, if we can’t convert you to Islam, we will breed you out of existence.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
What’s funny about that neat little graph on your link is that the sharp increase lines up rather well with changes in Swedish laws concerning what can be classified as rape, pushes within Swedish society to remove the stigma associated with being a rape victim (and therefore increase the likelihood a rape will be reported), and how Sweden tracks and reports sex crimes.
Nazis are like weeds, they pop up everywhere.As a footnote, on second thought, check this out. The leader of the anti-Islam German group Pegida has resigned due to photos surfacing of him dressed as Hitler. Gave me some pause.
My guess is there are Nazi sympathizing xenophobes in this movement, but there are also many who have genuine, legitimate concerns. All of the mainstream press in Europe is really down on this group and paints them as Nazis. I don’t live there so I don’t know which side to believe. (They kind of do the same thing to UKIP…)
Pegida is a Nationalist movement that has some similarities with, but is not the same as National Socialism. Both are ethnocentric in nature, by which I mean Germany for Germans, but they do not share the same goals of overthrowing democracy and establishing a dictatorship based on a cult of personality. Pegida is a response to the militant Islam terrorizing Europe and the ethnic cleansing that is happening to the European people. Because of various social policies and cultural trends European people do not have a birth rate which is at replacement levels, add to that massive 3rd world immigration and the resulting miscegenation and the European people will be minorities in their own countries by 2044 and extinct by the end of the century. London England is now a majority non-White city.As a footnote, on second thought, check this out. The leader of the anti-Islam German group Pegida has resigned due to photos surfacing of him dressed as Hitler. Gave me some pause.
My guess is there are Nazi sympathizing xenophobes in this movement, but there are also many who have genuine, legitimate concerns. All of the mainstream press in Europe is really down on this group and paints them as Nazis. I don’t live there so I don’t know which side to believe. (They kind of do the same thing to UKIP…)
This country is on the same route with all the openness for illegals south of the border. The bishops don’t see charity they see more money and more people at church.The growing anti-Islam/immigration protests are the healthy response of people who are sick of watching their countries being turned into another 3rd world nation. what the main steam media refuses to talk about is the massive problems that come along with welcoming these people into Europe. Take a look at Sweden that is only a decade away from becoming a 3rd world country and has a massive rape crisis going on where Muslims
frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/1-in-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-as-sexual-assaults-increase-500/
The fact is, immigration causes more problems than it fixes and people are starting to wake up to this fact.
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11363522/German-mother-of-three-becomes-face-of-Pegida-anti-Islam-movement.htmlGerman mother of three becomes face of Pegida anti-Islam movement
Kathrin Oertel thrust to limelight as face of Pegida after resignation of its founder, Lutz Bachmann
The unfortunate truth is that after 1945 seminaries (of all denominations) were infiltrated by Cultural Marxists and since then we have seen a drastic fall in moral standards, not just in the general population but also with the clergy as well.This country is on the same route with all the openness for illegals south of the border. The bishops don’t see charity they see more money and more people at church.
The clergy today are using emotion to get around moral laws. In the name of charity they enable homosexuality which is a violation of the basic laws of nature. they claim 'love the sinner, hate the sin." but by doing that they remove any judgment and make any moral teaching null and void.Mark 7:9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother, and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
1 timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
The problem isn’t just about immigration policies. The issues of immigration and national identity are being forced by the large numbers of people who aren’t European who are already living in European countries. Every nation has a legitimate interest in preserving its identity and character and culture,and those things are threatened by the very presence of large numbers of foreigners of a different race. The European countries are historically defined by race or ethnicity,even though there has always been different ethnic groups within each of the countries,and migration of groups from one country to another. There seems to be no humane way for the European countries to deal with the problem of the large numbers of people in their countries that are of foreign races. So there will be increasing hostility towards them and riots will break out.There are more protests going on in Germany against Islam. I don’t know which side I’m on; I can see both. I do think this is what happens when you force political correctness for too long without healthy open debate, without a serious examination of immigration policies before reaching this point.
Though we want to help everyone, I think a problem that is showing up is not so much as race but unskilled workers. One can accept a number of these but also emphasize accepting skilled workers.The problem isn’t just about immigration policies. The issues of immigration and national identity are being forced by the large numbers of people who aren’t European who are already living in European countries. Every nation has a legitimate interest in preserving its identity and character and culture,and those things are threatened by the very presence of large numbers of foreigners of a different race. The European countries are historically defined by race or ethnicity,even though there has always been different ethnic groups within each of the countries,and migration of groups from one country to another. There seems to be no humane way for the European countries to deal with the problem of the large numbers of people in their countries that are of foreign races. So there will be increasing hostility towards them and riots will break out.
America is not defined by a particular racial group in the same way as the European countries are,and it does not have a deep history as they do. It is defined rather by its form of government and the free market economy and the ideal of personal liberty and prosperity. So America is not as precious to Americans as European countries are to Europeans. There is less of a particular identity and culture to preserve. White Americans are not in their ancestral homelands,and they are disconnected with their ancestral cultures,and they are used to racial diversity,so when their local communities are flooded with people from Mexico or South America,it is an annoyance but not so offensive or so much a threat that they openly protest. And they are afraid of being called racist. In European countries,people who are against groups of foreign are less afraid to be called racist,because it is understood that the European countries are for particular racial groups.
Well the establishment parties (center right and left) want nothing to change in terms of unrestricted immigration and multiculturalism so its really is only the far right that is championing these causes in western Europe. The the far right also used to champion what we would call conservative social issues (its been largely abandoned with a few exceptions) but like people in this forum have seemingly been a part of, the far right found out that appealing to anti immigration/multicultural sentiments and law and order talk can get you a pretty big support group (people who would otherwise never be for the right) without going into more controversial issues that fracture support.As a footnote, on second thought, check this out. The leader of the anti-Islam German group Pegida has resigned due to photos surfacing of him dressed as Hitler. Gave me some pause.
My guess is there are Nazi sympathizing xenophobes in this movement, but there are also many who have genuine, legitimate concerns. All of the mainstream press in Europe is really down on this group and paints them as Nazis. I don’t live there so I don’t know which side to believe. (They kind of do the same thing to UKIP…)
So you do believe that most in this Pegida movement in Germany are just citizens worried about immigration? That is what I suspected. It just seems like there is a lot of establishment pressure all over Europe to not go there. It seems Big Brother to me; real cultural pressure. We have that on certain levels in the US - so I know what it is. I am willing to go against it for a good cause but I don’t want to sympathize with a bunch of Nazis here. I am for regulations, limitations on immigration, assimilation into Western culture; not rounding people up and killing them, or setting their houses ablaze, etc.Well the establishment parties (center right and left) want nothing to change in terms of unrestricted immigration and multiculturalism so its really is only the far right that is championing these causes in western Europe. The the far right also used to champion what we would call conservative social issues (its been largely abandoned with a few exceptions) but like people in this forum have seemingly been a part of, the far right found out that appealing to anti immigration/multicultural sentiments and law and order talk can get you a pretty big support group (people who would otherwise never be for the right) without going into more controversial issues that fracture support.
I don’t know about the Nazi label, posing as Hitler might be eccentric from that guy but I have seen the media label people who are anti SSM as fascist, Putin, Orban, people who aren’t socially liberal… and I wouldn’t use that to label an entire group especially after the crazies that the establishment parties have had for leaders.
Did anyone even borther to ask the European population whether or not they wanted an open-door immigration policy?There are more protests going on in Germany against Islam. I don’t know which side I’m on; I can see both. I do think this is what happens when you force political correctness for too long without healthy open debate, without a serious examination of immigration policies before reaching this point.
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