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I did the same but used ALL of them and some others such asI have to admit, I have really been confused by the whole Matatics controversy.
It seems to me that there are things that are not being said - whether out of politeness or because it would look bad in the eyes of Protestants.
I came back to the Faith via **Karl Keating **and Scott Hahn. They are almost like father-figures to me: guiding me and assuring me of what I can and cannot stand on in good faith.
I have looked all over the Net for Matatics and his reliability. Those that defend him tend to stand on “legal talk” to justify his communion with JPII. They go into elaborate explanations to dance around some very obvious differences he has.
I just wish there could be an honest debate with Hahn, Keating, Matatics, and others (eg. Staples, Sungenis, Madrid…) to discuss their concerns.
It would help to end a lot of confusion.
Rich
Mark Shea
David Palm
Dave Armstrong
Fr Hardon
Isiah Bennett
David Currie
Fr Most
and some Oldies:
Bp Geo Hay
Hellair Belloc
Orestes Brownson
Fulton Sheen
Children of Fatima-especially
Clement
Irenaeus
Re:
"I just wish there could be an honest debate with Hahn, Keating, Matatics, and others (eg. Staples, Sungenis, Madrid…) to discuss their concerns. "
I really don’t believe it would accomplish anything. There is a wide diversity in their convictions on modern/traditional church practice, personal behavior and discipline. They have all stated their cases abundantly. From those, you’l have to decide for yourself. An example would be head covering for women in church to JPII’s Assisi prayer meeting to veiling Church doctrine to entice prot’s (which has not worked) to resurrecting the Old Covenant as salvific for Jews. (They never say which Covenant, Abraham’s (forever) or Mosaic (destroyed by Christ).
Nevertheless, there are some old debates between them via the internet chat/email format.
Gal 4:
16 Am I then become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? 17 They are zealous in your regard not well: but they would exclude you, that you might be zealous for them. 18 But be zealous for that which is good in a good thing always: and not only when I am present with you.
1Thess 5:
19 Extinguish not the spirit. 20 Despise not prophecies. 21 But prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 From all appearance of evil refrain yourselves.
Today confusion prevails …until you go back to the old teachers, popes and apologists. That is what I did. And confusion dissapated and continuity prevailed…