Get Ready to Call Your Representative and Senator on Monday 2/26

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LeafByNiggle said:
Sure, after his own personal interests have been satisfied. Melania’s parents have already benefited from chain migration. So ending it now is no skin of Trump’s nose.
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Do you imagine someone shouldn’t use all the tax deductions that are legally available to them, if they disagree with their broader impact?

I don’t see a rational disconnect with using tax deceptions while you may also be working to have them eliminated.
 
Theo520 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Sure, after his own personal interests have been satisfied. Melania’s parents have already benefited from chain migration. So ending it now is no skin of Trump’s nose.
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Do you imagine someone shouldn’t use all the tax deductions that are legally available to them, if they disagree with their broader impact?

I don’t see a rational disconnect with using tax deceptions while you may also be working to have them eliminated.
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Imagine if Obama had bought a load of AR-15s and then banned any new sales of that model. I’m sure the conservative media would have had a field day pointing out the hypocrisy of that!
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Imagine if Obama had bought a load of AR-15s and then banned any new sales of that model. I’m sure the conservative media would have had a field day pointing out the hypocrisy of that!
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And the liberal media would drop Stoneham Douglas and its students like a hot potato and run cover for Obama.

People can’t stand hypocrisy no matter which party it comes from, so just remember that when gun-control professional athletes, celebs and politicians walk around in their entourage and go up to Floor 35 in their ivory tower sitting pretty in a gated community.

Or when Mark Dayton and Amy K. say they “care”.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
What harm is there to you to just ignore someone who has been living a decent life in your community for many years?
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That person may be living a decent life, but if she is piling up guns in her garage, there is a danger that these guns may be stolen and used to murder school children. Murdering school children is not something that should be ignored.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Imagine if Obama had bought a load of AR-15s and then banned any new sales of that model. I’m sure the conservative media would have had a field day pointing out the hypocrisy of that!
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My tax loophole analogy is much more appropriate. If Obama had banned the AR15 then he would be legally obligated to turn in what is now an illegal weapon.
 
Theo520 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Imagine if Obama had bought a load of AR-15s and then banned any new sales of that model. I’m sure the conservative media would have had a field day pointing out the hypocrisy of that!
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My tax loophole analogy is much more appropriate. If Obama had banned the AR15 then he would be legally obligated to turn in what is now an illegal weapon.
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I didn’t say that. I said if he banned any new sales.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I didn’t say that. I said if he banned any new sales.
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So you’ve created a strawman.

That would make AR-15’s a good investment since they would immediately increase in value. I’d then have to say Obama traded on insider information if he bought one to several just before a ban.

Banning new sales of AR15 is a strawman because such a move doesn’t reflect anything under discussion.
 
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Theo520 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
I didn’t say that. I said if he banned any new sales.
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So you’ve created a strawman.

That would make AR-15’s a good investment since they would immediately increase in value. I’d then have to say Obama traded on insider information if he bought one to several just before a ban.

Banning new sales of AR15 is a strawman because such a move doesn’t reflect anything under discussion.
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And neither do tax breaks.
 
His wife using that system doesn’t change the fact that he has made a more than generious compromise. If you want to discuss flip flopping there are several dems in office today that are on record years ago being against allowing the illegals what even Trump is proposing. The fact is Trump has offered everything the dems are claiming they want and they refuse to work with him. Dreamers can stay but there will be conditions.
 
An apt quote:
“All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That’s why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.”
  • William Jefferson Clinton, Jan 24, 1995
 
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which no public official ever does. We just don’t have enough ran pauls in office.
 
That was over 22 years ago and things do change, and DACA is specifically about the children brought here and who have met certain conditions. I don’t think you will find many people who want to allow ALL illegal immigrants to stay, especially those convicted of a felony. At least I don’t.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
No, just pointing out the possible hypocrisy of denouncing a system that one’s own wife used to get her parents green cards. Just sayin…
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The gratuitous insult: the most common form of “argument” on the forum.
 
edtaylor51 said:
That was over 22 years ago and things do change,
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It does seem that Democrat’s support for our rule of law has definitely changed.
Laws can be changed to reflect new circumstances BTW, a much better route than ignoring the laws.
edtaylor51 said:
and DACA is specifically about the children brought here and who have met certain conditions. I don’t think you will find many people who want to allow ALL illegal immigrants to stay, especially those convicted of a felony. At least I don’t.
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Actually quite a few people do now want to allow most illegal immigrants to stay, if you caveat out criminals.
 
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edtaylor51 said:
lousy democrats

everything is their fault
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Hardly everything, but you can clearly point to them in not wanting to follow our rule of law on immigration, specifically in the past decade.

The GOP can be pretty bad in their own right, look how badly they messed up in Iraq. I’m thinking of Bush JR, his dad was pretty shrewd in how he freed Kuwait yet didn’t topple Hussein.
 
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