Get Rid of the Celibacy Requirement

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Only half of priests are celibate at any given time, according to the late Richard Sipe’s research. He was a former priest. Also, celibacy doesn’t make one “pure”, just as sexual intercourse doesn’t make one impure.
 
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_St. Epiphanius of Salamis (d. 403) stated, “Holy Church respects the dignity of the priesthood to such a point that she does not admit to the deaconate, the priesthood or the episcopate, nor even to the subdeaconate, anyone still living in marriage and begetting children. She accepts only him who if married gives up his wife or has lost her by death, especially in those places where the ecclesiastical canons are strictly attended to.”
St. Epiphanius was absolutely wrong since there are many married deacons and further Pope Adrian II was married to Stephania and she lived with him in the Lateran Palace.
 
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What people asking for an optional vow of celibacy want is a more diverse pool from which to derive priests. The pool from which our priests originate is greatly diminished by mandating an unscriptural discipline like celibacy.
 
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Nope. You are thinking like man. The Holy Spirit is in charge and I don’t think He will lower the standard in time of crisis. He might raise the standard.
 
What is wrong with expanding the priesthood to married men, as in the east?
 
My childhood minister was dedicated to his church and family. The laity needs to take on a greater role in their faith, so as to not be so dependent on priests.
 
We already have married priests in the Catholic Church… not in the Latin Rite though.
Actually, there are more married latin rite priests in the US than of all the EC churches put togeteher, from former episcopal, lutheran, and maybe presbyterian (not sure on the latter).
IMHO married priests isn’t the answer and we can see that by looking at the sex abuse cases and the MeToo movement out in the rest of sociey.
In fact, research has shown that celibate clergy offend a at a lower rate than married clergy. (And also that the RCC has the lowest rate of any church that can be statistically compared).
But the Orthodox, Anglicans and Lutherans have had married clergy for at least 500 years,
You misspelled “2,000” 🙂
And I know a couple or three married men who are EXCELLENT priests.
And I’ve met excellent married Catholic priests . . .

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One huge obstacle for making celibacy optional is that Catholics don’t tithe and generally give less to the Church than non-Catholics. And considering how many are withdrawing their financial support, especially now, how are these married men supposed to attend seminary if they have children still in school. Are we going to do away with actually going to seminary? Are these newly ordained priests going to have second jobs to support their family, pay their mortgage?
 
Why attend seminary? Why not have direct training in the parish? The seminary system and use of altar severs is a recent development. Studying scripture, etc., can be done at home or in a local parish. Form and procedure can be learned by direct observation. My Protestant brother obtained an Associates degree in theology online from Liberty University. He never left home.
 
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Unscriptural? The value of celibacy is a doctrine that started in the New Testament. Besides whether something is “scriptural” or tradition does not change doctrine. A more diverse pool does not mean a better pool.
 
Make celibacy optional for the priesthood to prevent another sexual abuse crisis. Not because celibacy produces sexual abusers, but because it shrinks the pool of men the Church can draw priests from.

If 1 in 100 men are called to celibacy, then opening the Roman rite to non-celibate men should increase priest vocations 100-fold.

The more numerous priests are the more expendable perverted priests are. Next time a bishop hears that Fr. So-And-So touched Sally, he can simply call the authorities on the priest without having to worry about who will serve the parish.

More priests means we can get rid of bad priests without worrying who will run the parish.

Just an idea, thoughts?
Where is any evidence that the reasons there were Bishops that covered up the abuse of a priest or priests did so because the bishop was concerned about who would be able to serve in the parish if the accused priest or priests was reported on?
 
Perhaps the celibate priesthood is overvalued and a married priesthood is undervalued.
 
Yes, it’s time to end this rule. It’s not biblical, nor was it part of the Church’s doctrine in its early history!

Very early in the history of the Catholic Church, priests were allowed to marry and have children. I suspect somewhere along the line the Church realized it would be better if priests weren’t allowed to marry. That way they could devote themselves full time to spreading the Gospel and interpreting it to their flocks. It also meant more wealth could flow into the Church and could be centrally controlled. The Church made a law that banned the children of priests from inheriting property, thus enriching the Church further. Then there was a call for an outright ban on marriage for priests. This was rejected during the First Counsel of Nicaea, brought about by the Roman Emperor Constantine, but over time the Church got its way and priests were ordered to be celibate.

Jesus was celibate, but He was the Son of God. For the rest of us sinners, it’s a bit more difficult to pull the plug on sexuality. The Bible itself states, “If they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.” 1 Corinthians 7:9 In this manner the act of sex is also ideally aligned with love and caring for another as part of God’s plan. That’s how it’s supposed to work, but roughly 50 percent of marriages end in divorce, thus only proving, for the most part, the fallen nature of man.

The point is this: It’s not natural for human beings to suppress the sex drive. Very few can do it. By not allowing Catholic priests to marry, the Church discourages family men who have a control on their libidos. Instead, too many are warped by sexual frustration and begin molesting children. For far too long the Church has ignored or hidden a problem of epidemic proportions under their pulpits. Priest who weren’t arrested and jailed were merely shuffled off to different parishes, where they continued their vile ways of abuse.

All in all, I feel it is time the Church takes a long hard look in the mirror at itself and come to the realization its celibacy policy is not working, it may be controversial even to think about changing this longstanding policy, but it can (and should) change in my opinion. Enough is enough! This scandal has severely damaged the Church, this is all Catholic faithful can talk about these days. And no doubt many people feel betrayed by those they placed their trust into. If you can’t trust a priest, who can you trust?
 
Catholic priests need more than an associates degree. And note that he time in seminary a time for discernment. Bishops aren’t going around with a magic wand going :ding: ro make a priests. It isn’t just a job, it’s a vacation in which the souls of thousands will rely on a priest’s knowledge of the bible, and theology. They would also be missing the formation from living in community. Candidates to the diaconate spends many weekends with other candidates and I think their wives. Are the requirements for priests going to be easier than deacons? As I asked in another thread: where are all the vocations to the permanent diaconate if there are all these married men ready and willing to be priests?
(I know that they are different callings si would think the number would be even smaller. Not exactly a remedy to the current crisis).
 
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I wasn’t implying an Associates degree was enough, just illustrating that theology can be learned in a multitude of settings.
 
Yes, but there is more to formation of Catholic clergy than academics.
 
The diaconate was only recently reinstated. The permanent diaconate is not promoted as much as the priesthood.
 
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