Get Rid of the Celibacy Requirement

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billsannie said:
Interesting question, but if the pool you have to pick from consists very largely of homosexual men and men with psychosexual problems, what do you do then? Close all the seminaries and tell the people, “Sorry but we have no priests?”
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Well Jared Fogle of Subway fame was heterosexual, married, and a child abuser. Went to prison, I think.

One of the Duggars of TV fame was also heterosexual, married, a father, and a child abuser. Went to prison, too.

If I’m not mistaken, both men were also heavily into Internet pornography and child pornography. They are just two famous ones among many heterosexual, married men who abuse.

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Being heterosexual or married does NOT guarantee one will not abuse children. Even being a woman does not.

The PA scandal is a child abuse problem, NOT a homosexual problem.
 
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glencor63 said:
Celibacy doesn’t cause pedophilia, but the celibacy rule eliminates a huge swathe of potential priests leaving a very limited pool from which to draw candidates. Many homosexuals enter the priesthood to hide their sexuality. They mistakenly believe that celibacy will cure SSA. Pedophiles go where they can find victims. They are opportunistic and will only be stopped by an outside force.
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Many heterosexual, married men are heavily into child abuse. Many are full-fledged pedophiles. The names of Fogel and Duggar are not isolated incidents. Many, many married men abuse children, and, at times, their wives aid in covering up their problem just as bishops aided child abusing priests.

This is a child abuse problem, and it will not get any better until it’s recognized as such.
 
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Then why does Paul commend celibacy?
 
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ReadTheBible said:
Catholicism will never cease the celibacy ritual.
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They already have - at least they have made exceptions for married pastor converts from the Anglican faith. There are not many of them, but the presence of even one shows that the rule is not absolute.

I think if celibacy were made optional, many if not most priests would continue to observe it.
 
It is both a child abuse and a problem of half of all priests not keeping the vow of celibacy. according to the late Richard Sipe. They are then compromised and unable to respond effectively to child abuse.
 
St. Paul never commended celibacy in the way that some interpret. He understood that some people have a charism of celibacy and others are called to marry. What he said was, “Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion”.
 
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Sarcelle said:
As for gay men being more likely celibate and attracted to the priesthood to hide their SSA, that has changed. Being gay is now accepted everywhere and they are even allowed to marry.
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Not in the Catholic Church.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
Being heterosexual or married does NOT guarantee one will not abuse children. Even being a woman does not.

The PA scandal is a child abuse problem, NOT a homosexual problem.
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“Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.”

Report: Pedophilia more common among ‘gays’

“Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture,” wrote Steve Baldwin in, “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement,” soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.

Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/#F7rZ3kH3KW0wiuvs.99
 
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Have you read the horrible accounts of rape and murder of children by their parents? That is who molests most children.
 
I am sorry, but Catholics have more respect for the Bible and the apostles than you appear to have.
 
Dear CL:

You say that you left the Church not because of the abuse scandals, but because of a Scripture verse about “bad fruit.”

If you don’t mind, what to your mind is this bad fruit, if not related to abuse scandals?

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Again, married men were once ordained, priests did not get married.

If celibacy were relaxed or rescinded, that rubric would be returned to. Married men in formation, not priests finding wives.

The result would be young men deferring or delaying their formation ‘to find a wife,’ particularly if, as seems to be assumed, celibacy is really a huge red flag.

Many would never return, either because they never find her, or because she has other ideas, or simply because of the challenges of a young family.

The result would be not more priests, but fewer, at least for some years.

ICXC NIKA
 
I have been in a diocese where the bishop shut down the permanent diaconate program. I believe the new bishop may have reinstated it, but I’m not sure.
 
I have been in a parish with a married Latin rite priest. He was a convert from the Methodist faith.
 
glencor63 said:
It is both a child abuse and a problem of half of all priests not keeping the vow of celibacy. according to the late Richard Sipe. They are then compromised and unable to respond effectively to child abuse.
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I don’t take Richard’s Sipe’s word for things. As a priest who left the Church to marry, he’s pushing his own agenda.

Of course any person who is unchaste CAN respond effectively to child abuse. No doubt many, many unchaste people do. I know of people living together, without being married, who have children and respond to child abuse in a rapid and appropriate manner.

Some married men with children abuse children. Marriage is not a cure-all for abuse, just as celibacy does not ensure saintliness.
 
Yes Paul recommends celibacy! why are laymen getting married?why do you think only priests should follow his recommendation?
His recommendation is only advice, and the same Saint Paul recommends marriage to those who can not live saintly because of celibacy
 
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Shakuhachi said:
But weren’t most of the victims male as well as the preditors?
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Most of the victims were male, 80% male, 20% female. But, one has to remember that these scandals date back to when only boys were altar servers. (Not the only group abused, I know, but the largest.) Once girls began serving, they became as likely to be abused as boys.

Using the logic of just looking at the majority, as some want to do, is very flawed. Most women do not abort their babies; most babies are born. So should we just forget about the sad minority who are aborted? Of course not.

All of the children. boys and girls, were the victims of predatory, abusive males, heterosexual, homosexual, chaste (as in no female lover), and unchaste (as in having a female lover).
 
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