"Get sexual predators out of schools"

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In the past week, no fewer than five New York City teachers have been accused of improper sexual behavior. Four, with students. The fifth, uh, shall we say, “at” them. The roll call includes two males and three females. Four of the alleged offenders had sexual relationships with kids; the fifth, one of the men, to state the obvious, is charged with lewdness and endangering the welfare of minors for repeatedly exposing himself in public.

And the Department of Education did not summarily fire them. But don’t blame Chancellor Joel Klein. Under the contract with Randi Weingarten’s UFT, he doesn’t have the power to dump teachers who sexually prey on students. The contract limits school officials to assigning such teachers to so-called rubber rooms, where they can collect full pay while department lawyers fight protracted battles for the right to fire them. Some may wind up canned, but arbitrators may return others to the classroom after, say, a suspension.

Such a petty penalty is in the news today, following a state court ruling calling the one-year suspension of E-mail predator and high school teacher Cary Hershkowitz logic-defying, inexplicable and “totally irrational.” Still, Hershkowitz cannot be dismissed outright.

Make no mistake. Any sexual contact between teacher and student is predatory and should be judged criminal. Never mind if the victim - and they are all victims - is 16 or older. The “age of consent” should not be a factor when the relationship - physical or verbal, occurring in school, out of school or in cyberspace - is between an adult school employee and a student. That adult abuses both the student and his or her own authority.

Klein previously has asked the Legislature to “make it a criminal offense for a DOE employee to engage in sexual conduct with a student,” and he now is seeking legislation to mandate the dismissal “of any employee who is found by the Special Commissioner of Investigation to have engaged in sexual activity with a student.”

That such laws do not exist now is beyond belief. That they will exist in the future - the near future - is imperative.

Forget union protections for sex offenders. Let’s protect the kids.
 
Where is the outrage over ET and others paying for this “wedding?” It’s disgusting that none of the usual groups are speaking out about this.
 
Sadly the power of the teacher’s union is such that it is near impossible to fire a teacher, even if she/he is engaged in absolutely egregious conduct.

There should be a special rule for predatory sexual behavior such as there is with other professionals. If a therapist, doctor, or attorney engages in sex with a client (although both are adult) they can lose their license. There should be an even higher standard for teachers given the age and vulnerability of their students.

I am honestly wondering if there is something in the school drinking fountains. We have stories virtually every week about a teacher engaged in inappropriate behavior with students. I just don’t remember this being a big issue a few years ago.

Lisa N
 
not true. I hear that charge repeated by kooks on the radio and I want them exposed for their lies. If a teacher violates a state ethics code, there is NOTHING the union can do about it. Unions are made up of teachers and we don’t want those people in the profession. It’s a lie to say that we protect them. A filthy, politically opportunistic lie.

The thing that I have seen with poor teacher conduct is administrators trying to avoid publicity and embarrassment by sweeping problems under the rug. Is it more common? Like everything else. It’s probably more well known.

I know I’ve heard that drug addict and serial marrier, Rush Limbaugh, imply that it is more prevalent. He hates teachers and unions so he uses his sly implications to get people to go along with him.
 
You are the one who said “no problem with the unions,” not me. I was addressing the lie that teacher’s unions protect teachers who prey on children. It’s a bald-faced, politically driven lie and nothing in your link disputes that.
 
I’ve seen it play out over and over. Southern Nevada was the worst. Pahrump (Nye County) teacher accussed of molesting kids for over ten years was kept on the payroll until conviction. Parents were outraged but nothing could be done.

Btw…over 4 years ago, the NYC system reported that, on average, one child a day was molested or assualted by an employee of the system. New York Times, Daily News and the New York Post all reported on it.

A one week story. Here we are years later facing the same thing.

The unions do nothing to stop it. The NEA resolutions I linked to above are a blinking neon sign inviting those not fit to teach to teach.

A few more recent articles on the problem:

Georgia Teacher Arrested for Molestation
San Francisco Chronicle, CA - May 19, 2005
A third-grade teacher who slit her wrist in front of her class earlier this month has been arrested on charges of molesting a student, police said . . . .

Teacher arrested after beating daughter’s coach Connecticut Post, CT - May 19, 2005 HAMDEN — A longtime high school art teacher was placed on indefinite leave Wednesday after he was charged with beating his daughter’s softball coach with an …

Teacher Arrested for Allegedly Having Sex with Female Student
KABC, CA - May 15, 2005 ANAHEIM (CNS) — A Ball Junior High School teacher was arrested on suspicion of having sex with a 14 year-old girl student, it was reported today. …

Parkview teacher had been cited earlier
Janesville Gazette, WI - May 13, 2005 ORFORDVILLE-A Parkview High School teacher arrested last week on charges of sexual assault of two students was cited at a Wisconsin Dells resort in August for …
 
Unions have no power over who is hired and who is fired. That lies with the administration and the School Board. They like to blame their spinelessness on the unions as if it is out of their control. Nonsense.

As for the unions doing nothing to stop it, why so easy on management? The union is there to see that its teachers hold up their end of the contract. It might surprise you to hear that child molestation isn’t in there. That’s covered under state guidelines for lawful conduct. It gives the district the ability to fire AT WILL. The unions can’t fire, remove, replace, or transfer anybody.

You cite the NEA resolutions, but have no facts to back up your claim. I’m a union officer and I’ve never read it. Holding up two facts doesn’t mean they are connected, it just means you have two sets of facts. Teachers don’t want these people in the building, much less the profession, and it’s just goofy logic to suggest that they would.
 
why are not administrators, board members and superintendents held to the same legal standards as bishops? when that happens, and the lawsuits start gobbling up school funding dollars, I will believe somebody is serious about ending child sex abuse.
 
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puzzleannie:
why are not administrators, board members and superintendents held to the same legal standards as bishops? when that happens, and the lawsuits start gobbling up school funding dollars, I will believe somebody is serious about ending child sex abuse.
They will be held to the same standards if we insist on it. It is up to us to protest loud and clear. It is up to us to demand that the media give it the same attention it gave the Bishop Law scandal. When taxpayers get interested, it will happen.
 
The problem is with the rank and file and the union. The NEA takes in over $250 million a year tax free. Its headquarters in D.C. is assessed at over $70 million but pays no property tax. The NEA has over 1,400 political operatives–more than the RNC and DNC combined.

Here and then a school board or district can stand up to them. But not in most of the country and not if the NEA targets a district. I’ve seen everyone running for the board be an NEA member or related to a member. And they had bucks nobody else could touch.

About 25% of the delegates to the DNC convention are teacher union members (in 1992, it hit over 30% and the party decided to put a cap on them). In addition, the unions work with the ACLU, PFAW, GLAAD, N.O.W., GLSEN, A.N.S.W.E.R. and other liberal activist groups.

Been in the school choice movement since 1987. It is a constant (and hugely expensive) battle to accomplish anything the NEA and other unions do not want. They are still fighting vouchers even after SCOTUS declared them constitutional. The union bleeds the opposition dry and uses taxpayer money to do it.

The media is on the side of government schools and their unions. We won’t see news of a pandemic (which this is) of abuse of kids in public schools. Hollywood won’t make a movie titled “The Teacher” (remember “The Priest”?).

Exceptional cases of abuse will be reported. But the national media will never report that this abuse goes on everyday in schools across the country.

A google news search once or twice a week on “Teacher Arrested” brings up incredible cases.
 
I’m happy to discuss school vouchers, but that’s far from the topic. The implication is that somehow the unions are responsible for keeping child molesters on the payroll. That’s totally false and it’s a lie that I hear repeated for political purposes; imply that the unions are to blame and get people to turn on all teachers.

School Boards are elected and they and they alone hire the superintendent and administration. To suggest that School Boards are in the pocket of the local union is also completely false. We can endorse candidates and donate money to their campaigns. However, we are greatly limited in the amount because it’s coming from the state association. In our last election, we were able to disperse about $2,000 in total for stamps, envelopes, copying, and donations. Ooh…you’d better run and hide from that kind of money.

Stop letting management off the hook. They have the power given to them by the states to hire and fire and they are elected by their communities to make tough decisions. The unions are filled with hard-working teachers who have absolutely no power when it comes to terminating a teacher who has abused a child. They want those teachers out as much as anyone else but have no authority carry it out.

The blame lies with the Board and administration when a teacher is allowed to remain under charges of abuse.
 
Our media reported extensively on a teacher legally charged with abuse. However, our Board refused to act. In spite of the union’s objections, the Board continued to pay this teacher and put him/her on a leave of absence. As I said before, I’m a union officer and we worked hard in our last election to defeat a Board member who had perpetrated this outrage.
 
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Thekla:
I’m happy to discuss school vouchers, but that’s far from the topic. The implication is that somehow the unions are responsible for keeping child molesters on the payroll. That’s totally false and it’s a lie that I hear repeated for political purposes; imply that the unions are to blame and get people to turn on all teachers…
In all fairness Thekla, don’t unions negotiate the contracts? And don’t those contracts have some pretty substantial protections in them that make firing or even suspending a teacher nearly impossible? I’ve seen too many stories of teachers who abused kids (sexually) and stayed on paid leave for years before their cases were decided, often after appeal after appeal after appeal.
THere was a recent case where a teacher called a child a little s**thead and was fired. She/union appealed and it went very high, maybe to the Supreme court? Her excuse for calling the kid that name was she called her own kids the same thing. And the union proteced her right to teach children? Yikes!
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Thekla:
School Boards are elected and they and they alone hire the superintendent and administration. To suggest that School Boards are in the pocket of the local union is also completely false. We can endorse candidates and donate money to their campaigns. However, we are greatly limited in the amount because it’s coming from the state association. In our last election, we were able to disperse about $2,000 in total for stamps, envelopes, copying, and donations. Ooh…you’d better run and hide from that kind of money…
Yes but that was the very issue in the case mentioned, whether or not the Board had the right to fire teachers. The union maintained it did not! They lost thank heavens but how can any union support keeping an incompetent, unstable or perverted teacher on the payroll?
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Thekla:
Stop letting management off the hook. They have the power given to them by the states to hire and fire and they are elected by their communities to make tough decisions. The unions are filled with hard-working teachers who have absolutely no power when it comes to terminating a teacher who has abused a child. They want those teachers out as much as anyone else but have no authority carry it out.

The blame lies with the Board and administration when a teacher is allowed to remain under charges of abuse.
Again, not if the union is willing to uphold any teacher’s right to be employed no matter how egregious his/her conduct has been. And if the unions take the Board to court over their right to hire and fire, how can you claim that the unions aren’t the ones who are keeping these bad teachers on the payroll?

Look I totally agree the majority of teachers are hardworking, competent, dedicated people. But when their union defends the indefensible, all teachers end up painted with the tar brush.

Lisa N
 
A contract is negotiated by the School Board and the union; both have obligations that they agree to. This idea that teachers can’t be fired is untrue. Non-tenured teachers (in my state - first 4 years) can be released without cause. That means that the district does not have to give ANY reason to the teacher of why they are being let go. They simply have to notify the teacher by a date set by the state. That’s it. No appeal and the unions can do nothing for them.

Furthermore, the states empower the School Boards with the ability to hire, fire and suspend. The unions have virtually nothing to do with it. I’m an officer in a prominent union in a strong union state. Here’s what our contract says about disciplinary suspensions:

“Any disciplinary suspension of a teacher resulting in the loss of pay or withholding of vertical shall be for fair and just cause.”

Do you realize how easy it is for the School Board to show fair and just cause? Real easy.

What unions do is they enforce the process. Were the timelines followed, was notice given, were the appropriate hearings held. That kind of stuff. It may seem like minutia, but it is something both sides agreed to.

Gross negligence or criminal conduct is covered in state guidelines. I’ve seen teachers in trouble one day and gone the next. They call us and we look to see if the process was followed. If it was, we have one less union member.

If teachers are involved in criminal conduct or severe negligence, the responsibility for removing that teacher lies solely with the Board and Administration. They like to whisper to the community “teacher’s contract,” as if their hands are tied, but that’s untrue.
 
Thekla you’ve got the theory down, chapter and verse but it’s not explaining how many really bad teachers remain on staff. You say untenured teachers are easily terminated.I do not doubt that at all. But coming from a family of academics, I know that once someone gets tenure, it takes a veritable act of Congress to dislodge them. Look at all the brouhaha over Ward Churchill for example. Clearly the University would love to unload this albatross but they fear that he would cost millions to move him along. I realize this is college, not high school but tenure is very protective of the bad as well as the good.

When I see in practice what you’ve so articulately stated I’ll believe it.

Lisa N
 
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David_Paul:
A few examples from Hooverdigest.org of how onerous is it to fire a teacher for any reason:

Dance of the Lemons
Sadly that article certainly reflects what I see around here. As so succinctly stated, tenure was intended to prevent wrongful termination of good teachers but has become a way to prevent rightful termination of bad teachers.

Lisa N
 
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David_Paul:
I am little distrubed by the following remarks by the association

I-2. International Court of Justice. The Association urges participation by the United States in deliberations before the court.

(probally not a wise idea to let others decide what our laws should be)

I-12. Family Planning. The National Education Association supports family planning, including the right to reproductive freedom. The Association also urges the implementation of community-operated, school-based family planning clinics that will provide intensive counseling by trained personnel.

—WHY would an association support pro-chocie as an agenda that is okay for childern??? Who are they looking out for???----

God Bless,Beckers
 
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