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I’m 40 years old, I’ll be 41 in two months. When I was younger I could count the number of local private schools on one hand. Now, 25 years later, I have lost count of the number, and a new one seems to open every September. I think it is fair to assume there is a good rational reason for this trend…
 
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Sure it’s selfish. “I’m leaving because this school is not up to MY standards.” Once you take your children out, are you still going to work for the success of that school? No, probably not.
Right - and it should fail as it cannot compete.

Prediction - internet learning will begin to put them out of business.
 
The idea of vouchers sounds good, but is selfish.

The free market principles don’t work for school. Letting people leave public schools will not make the public schools better. They make them worse.

If you can get a voucher to send your child to a private school, could someone with no children get a voucher to go to college? No, of course not.
If I would be a parent (I am not, but there are children in my extended family), my primary concern would be not to fix the public schools but rather to protect my children, now. Having attended a rough public school for the first 8 grades, I know exactly what I am talking about. Kids coming and picking fistfights with you during free time when you are trying to look into your schoolbooks and have some homework done. Teachers overwhelmed with the amount of problems and unable to protect you. I would rather protect my children from having to experience anything remotely similar to what I experienced.

I also don’t see how vouchers are selfish, given that all parents would have the opportunity to use the vouchers.

Some bad public schools would go empty, as parents would take out their children and bring them to private schools or good public schools instead.

I would like to make also a comparison with the public school system of Hungary which I am familiar with. In a survey of 65 countries, Hungary came out No. 4 in science and No. 6 in mathematics SAT scores (USA and UK around 25-30th place). The essential difference is that in Hungary, you as a parent can send your child to a school of your choice if he/she is accepted, admittance to prestigious high schools being highly competitive. Sometimes kids even choose to attend high school (“Gymnasium”) in a different city, e.g. someone with an outstanding talent in certain area will go to a school renowned in that field of education. I don’t think this is selfish, if you as a child want to be left alone or surrounded by like-minded people so that you could concentrate on your studies. Also this system gives better opportunities to teachers who want to excel in their profession, since they will naturally gravitate towards the schools that already are reknown for a good education in their field and want to uphold that tradition by hiring the best teachers.
 
A bureaucratic monopoly Federal school system does not serve the public interest.

What it has done is dumbed down the populace. The hard facts are is some children cannot keep up and we need to recognize that.
This is so true. School districts help only very small percentage in vocational schools but not nearly enough. Too many fall through the crack and struggle to identify their place in the workforce. The result is a ‘dumbed down populace’. Public schools offer a one size fits all mentality. Heck - 17 and 18 year old seniors in highschool still must ask permission to go urinate in a toilet or ask to get a drink of water! Sorry if I sound vulgar but it is the truth. Don’t you dare urinate or drink outside the lines or you are in trouble Bub.
 
They can get a lot worse.

So give me my voucher and I’m otta here. Good luck to the rest of you.

Sure it’s selfish. “I’m leaving because this school is not up to MY standards.” Once you take your children out, are you still going to work for the success of that school? No, probably not.
And they are going to get worse using the current system…so why continue to support it? We don’t need a social healthcare system in this country. We need a new system to educate our young and that means Big Government - hands off - you don’t work. The biggest proponents of this system are teachers and unions that continue to get really fat off the system.

Yes - give me my voucher and let my children grow and learn so that they can really help those in need.

It isn’t selfish. Twenty-something years ago I went into my child’s kindergarten class on the first day of the school year only to discover the drinking fountain in her room let out a slow trickle of water that would have forced her to latch her mouth to it order to wet her lips. No parent noticed this but me and only I dared request that the problem be fixed immediately. Is that what I or anyone pays school taxes for? :eek:
That fountain incident was just the starter. After that school year I promptly took my children out and homeschooled them during the most tender formidable years of their life. I have no regrets and I recommend others make the same sacrifice if they are able to.
 
Beautiful, thank you for your story.

It makes your position much easier to understand.
 
Beautiful, thank you for your story.

It makes your position much easier to understand.
My children were fluent readers when they entered Grade K. Did that matter? No – they were lobbed together with the rest of the students to dehydrate and to learn 1,2, 3 and A, B, C. Granted the Grade K teacher allowed my kids to read to the class now and then. I haven’t quite figured out if she just wanted a break from teaching.
One size doesn’t fit all and that is what public school is all about. Fit in or flunk.

And by-the-way…I hope you understand why teachers limit hydration…they don’t want to be bothered by frequent bathroom breaks. Do you understand the impact dehyrdration has on the body? That alone could be why grade point averages suffer. Kids return home with the munchies - they think they are hungery - they are thirsty! Heck - dairy farmers offer more water stations per head than public schools offer per 100 children. Check out your school…how many water fountains are there per 100 children? In my community school there is 6 per 1000. That is ridicules. Then to top it all off they must ask permission to use it. Sick - how did it all get so sick…Big Governernment and greed…
 
My children were fluent readers when they entered Grade K. Did that matter? No – they were lobbed together with the rest of the students to dehydrate and to learn 1,2, 3 and A, B, C. Granted the Grade K teacher allowed my kids to read to the class now and then. I haven’t quite figured out if she just wanted a break from teaching.
One size doesn’t fit all and that is what public school is all about. Fit in or flunk.

And by-the-way…I hope you understand why teachers limit hydration…they don’t want to be bothered by frequent bathroom breaks. Do you understand the impact dehyrdration has on the body? That alone could be why grade point averages suffer. Kids return home with the munchies - they think they are hungery - they are thirsty! Heck - dairy farmers offer more water stations per head than public schools offer per 100 children. Check out your school…how many water fountains are there per 100 children? In my community school there is 6 per 1000. That is ridicules. Then to top it all off they must ask permission to use it. Sick - how did it all get so sick…Big Governernment and greed…
our schools allow and even encourage the kids bring to water bottles or a thermos so they don’t get dehydrated and it also cuts down on germs being spread at the water fountain. Our kids take a water bottle, filled, everyday and then there are certain times during the day that they can refill them, if needed.
I understand why they have to ask to go get a drink or use the bathroom, you can’t just have kids getting up and going wherever they want, whenever they want. There has to be some order. They need to learn that you can’t just get up in the middle of a lesson to get a drink.
 
our schools allow and even encourage the kids bring to water bottles or a thermos so they don’t get dehydrated and it also cuts down on germs being spread at the water fountain. Our kids take a water bottle, filled, everyday and then there are certain times during the day that they can refill them, if needed.
I understand why they have to ask to go get a drink or use the bathroom, you can’t just have kids getting up and going wherever they want, whenever they want. There has to be some order. They need to learn that you can’t just get up in the middle of a lesson to get a drink.
Certain times for refilling? There we go again with a rationing mentality.

Asking permission to toilet is within limits a reasonable method for a certain age but by the time a student is in jr. high or senior high school it is safe to assume they know better than to just up and leave in the middle of something important. I know of a young male student who transitioned from Catholic grade school to public jr. high school. Sadly he was too frightened and intimidated to ask permission to use the bathroom. Back in Catholic school he was familiar with using the restroom as needed. Suddenly he was in public school and was required to ask. Sadly he urinated on himself. Shame on a system that trains our kids to be like canines panting at the door…… This weirdness and humanly cruel blanket solution for all ages is a perfect example of how the public school system is failing. Unfortunately this one size blanket fits all mentality is part of the demise. Public schools as we have known them the past several decades are doomed.
 
Asking permission to toilet is within limits a reasonable method for a certain age but by the time a student is in jr. high or senior high school it is safe to assume they know better than to just up and leave in the middle of something important.
Wow this thread is now full of potty talk! 😃 😛
I remember the restroom being an unsupervised social scene in middle and high school… sometimes there are very good reasons for having to ask permission! :o
 
Beautiful, I think it’s a good thing you made the education choice you did.
 
Certain times for refilling? There we go again with a rationing mentality.

Asking permission to toilet is within limits a reasonable method for a certain age but by the time a student is in jr. high or senior high school it is safe to assume they know better than to just up and leave in the middle of something important. I know of a young male student who transitioned from Catholic grade school to public jr. high school. Sadly he was too frightened and intimidated to ask permission to use the bathroom. Back in Catholic school he was familiar with using the restroom as needed. Suddenly he was in public school and was required to ask. Sadly he urinated on himself. Shame on a system that trains our kids to be like canines panting at the door…… This weirdness and humanly cruel blanket solution for all ages is a perfect example of how the public school system is failing. Unfortunately this one size blanket fits all mentality is part of the demise. Public schools as we have known them the past several decades are doomed.
yeah, they have breaks throughout the day, like after every subject, to use the bathroom and refill their bottles, I don’t see a problem with that. If the young man you wrote about would have just asked to use the bathroom, there wouldn’t have been a problem. I understand the concerns about the schools now, but I don’t think this is really what the problem with public education is. Now if you want to talk about children getting pushed through school or them teaching only certain parts of history, that’s fine, those are valid concerns, but having to ask to go to the bathroom, even in jr and senior high school, is not the demise of the school system. If you have high school kids just getting up in the middle of class to go to the bathroom or get a drink or stretch their legs, you don’t think that is distraction to other students? There is time in between classes for potty stops and drinks. now if someone is ill, then that is different, but just because the are in high school doesn’t mean they can’t have rules. How is them being able to get up and go out of the class room whenever they want going to help them with college? I don’t know too many college profs. who are going to put up that. Or how’s it going to help in the work force…can’t just get up and leave in the middle of a meeting or presentation. Let’s worry about making sure they are learning instead of how many potty trips they get in a day. My kids are in 1st and 3rd grade. They are above average in every subject and they read well about their grade level. I don’t think having to wait until after math to fill their water bottles is hurting them any:shrug:
 
This thread has turned to talking about alota’ potty stuff. Unfortunately, it is a perfect example of how even the most basic human needs and functions are not being properly addressed in public schools.

I maintain that public school students are like housebound canines in need of defecating and urinating.
Wait ‘til your master returns for relief or pant at the door or dirty the rug.
Wait ‘til a 5 minute in-between class break or ask for permission or break the rules.
 
Beautiful, I think it’s a good thing you made the education choice you did.
By the Grace of God I was able to long enough to help them be wiser. They eventually returned to the public system in high school a little more self confident and aware than the rest. They were smart enough to protest lack of handsoap in the bathrooms. This unsanitary condition happened for days and weeks on end until someone mysteriously called the health department. More potty talk - I know - but it is undeniably another good example of the sick situation we are in.
 
Sure is selfish, wanting to save bodies, minds and souls.
Taking your own children out and leaving the others, instead of working for a good school for all is, in fact, selfish.

But, on a positive note, when you take your children out it lowers the pupil to water fountain ratio, which some people think is really important.
 
Taking your own children out and leaving the others, instead of working for a good school for all is, in fact, selfish.

But, on a positive note, when you take your children out it lowers the pupil to water fountain ratio, which some people think is really important.
Call me selfish then. I will accept it.

Reality says - the government system has thrown so much money at the problems with little to show for it. Now public school parents demanding more money thrown at the problem are selfish and denying competitive choices to everyone.
 
Taking your own children out and leaving the others, instead of working for a good school for all is, in fact, selfish.

But, on a positive note, when you take your children out it lowers the pupil to water fountain ratio, which some people think is really important.
You would tell my sibling that? She teaches her 5 at home and with great success. She and her DH make tremendous sacrifices to bring their children up in the best possible way and all you can think about is the children that are left in a crumbling rotten system that doesn’t even begin to compete with most others in developed areas around the world. Focus on the obviously broken system run by mostly liberals who run around like free-range chickens drinking up all the water from the fountains and leaving rationed amounts for their students. Sick

More potty talk…
Teachers at my children’s highschool had their own bathrooms which were off limits to everyone else. They were complete with perfumes and emollients and other nice toiletries. 🤷
 
You would tell my sibling that? She teaches her 5 at home and with great success. She and her DH make tremendous sacrifices to bring their children up in the best possible way and all you can think about is the children that are left in a crumbling rotten system that doesn’t even begin to compete with most others in developed areas around the world. Focus on the obviously broken system run by mostly liberals who run around like free-range chickens drinking up all the water from the fountains and leaving rationed amounts for their students. Sick
where do you live, because our schools are not like this at all!

And I guess someone has to think of the poor kids left in a “crumbling rotten system”, just because you remove your kids from the school, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care about the kids who can’t get out. What if both parents work, what if this is the only option they have, then what, oh well, not your kid, let them rot? If the schools are as bad as you say they are and if you are this upset about it, then do something. Get on the school board, make your voice heard.
Our concern for our kids schooling in the public school is the lack of parenting given to other children and the lack of values that some families have. We would like to shield our kids from these things, I have no problem with the level of education they are getting.
 
where do you live, because our schools are not like this at all!

And I guess someone has to think of the poor kids left in a “crumbling rotten system”, just because you remove your kids from the school, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t care about the kids who can’t get out. What if both parents work, what if this is the only option they have, then what, oh well, not your kid, let them rot? If the schools are as bad as you say they are and if you are this upset about it, then do something. Get on the school board, make your voice heard.
Our concern for our kids schooling in the public school is the lack of parenting given to other children and the lack of values that some families have. We would like to shield our kids from these things, I have no problem with the level of education they are getting.
Give me a break - do you know who gets on a public school board? Pretty much the ones who just go along with the spending plan. We need more money to solve these problems. Teacher moral will go down if we don’t give them a raise. The kids can’t learn unless we build a bigger and newer palace. We need more highly paid administrators. It goes on and on.

And Catholic education does so much more with 1/4 the cost.
 
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