Get your kids out of government schools

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LateCatholic said:
Second, there are just as many bad apples in Catholic school as public - if not more.
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Maybe your school was, but that doesn’t apply everywhere. Our Catholic school and public school here is night and day difference in morality.

The anti-science thing is also not applicable. Our kids are well ahead of the national norm in science. Our science teacher has her doctorate, but teaches because of her belief in a moral educational environment

Like I said earlier, parents have to determine what kind of schools they have. Your experience may well be what others face.
 
LateCatholic said:
I’m still upset about my Catholic school teacher teaching the Civil War was justified because it was about state’s rights not slavery
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Well, that is a way some people look at it. With all history, you will get a slant from whoever is teaching. Not specific to Catholic schools at all.
 
LateCatholic said:
Second, there are just as many bad apples in Catholic school as public
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Ya…agreed, at least that’s the way it was where I grew up.

It was a smaller…ish town that had a public and perocial school system, but for many sports (specifically over the summer) we played together and honestly really got along together. I remember a discussion during a long road trip, they all agreed; the Catholic school had the same issues at the same percent as the public schools, it just wasn’t made as public and their parents were either A) oblivious to the fact or B) just didn’t want to accept it. We also joked about GPA too…the Catholic school always boasted a higher average GPA, well of course they did. They graded on a 4.5 scale where the public school was on a 4.0.

A few years after graduation I worked at the Catholic HS for a few years and ya…they had a lot of great kids, but they also had the ones that didn’t want to listen, got in trouble, etc…

I’m sure YMMV
 
AZ42 said:
Well, that is a way some people look at it. With all history, you will get a slant from whoever is teaching. Not specific to Catholic schools at all.
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I agree with that, but when there is religion behind it as justification, it takes on a whole new light. For example, the Confederacy claimed slavery was justified by the Bible and Christianity, and that Blacks were destined to be slaves as stated in the Bible. So even though you could get the same from a public school down South, it has a different connotation coming from a religious school.

It’s similar to the same issue I had with the Iraq war. Hearing that the war is justified coming from a public school teacher carries a different message than the same message coming from a Catholic school teacher, especially when the same teacher is also explaining how Muslims go to Hell because they aren’t baptized.
AZ42 said:
Well, that is a way some people look at it.
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This is off-topic, but I’m still amazed people say the Civil War wasn’t about slavery when the leaders of the Confederacy not only said it was about slavery in all their speeches, they wrote it down in their constitutions and declarations of war.
 
I went to a Catholic grade school and a public high school. I also had friends/neighbors in public school when I went to the Catholic school.
When we talked about what we were studying with them, they were always ahead of us.
And the bullying in my Catholic school and in at least one other Catholic school that I know of was really bad.
 
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pnewton said:
Maybe your school was, but that doesn’t apply everywhere. Our Catholic school and public school here is night and day difference in morality.
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I agree your mileage may vary. But I went to Catholic school and now my kids go to public school. I can;t believe what I missed. Nothing to do about morality. I’m talking facilities and quality of education. Plus, I don’t like the indoctrination I see at my local Catholic schools.
 
blackforest said:
Um, anti-science? Catholic children aren’t allowed to collect rocks and study them? The Catechism forbids peering at the stars through a telescope? Vatican II instigated a ban on entomology? Also, do I need to cancel my membership to the local science museum? Or would confession to my priest suffice? 😉
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I’m going by my experience. I was never taught evolution. My first exposure was in college. My biology teacher was a nun. My history teacher was a bigot. We never learned astronomy or cosmology. All basic stuff. Math was exceptional as was computer science. My religion classes, on the other hand, were very liberal. But I do remember being sent to the principals office for asking why masturbation was a sin 🙂
 
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Hope1960 said:
I went to a Catholic grade school and a public high school. I also had friends/neighbors in public school when I went to the Catholic school.
When we talked about what we were studying with them, they were always ahead of us.
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I wonder if this is a regional thing.
My experience was the exact opposite
 
LateCatholic said:
Plus, I don’t like the indoctrination I see at my local Catholic schools.
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By indoctrination, do you meant teaching about God? The literal meaning of indoctrination is educating. That is kind of what school is about.
 
LateCatholic said:
I agree your mileage may vary. But I went to Catholic school and now my kids go to public school. I can;t believe what I missed. Nothing to do about morality. I’m talking facilities and quality of education
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The facilities and quality of education vary by institution on both the Catholic and public institutions.

I don’t think a blanket statement can really be accurate. I went to Public School, I learned how to mind my own business and how to avoid getting shivved or relieved of my lunch money, we did have fully equipped machine shops for the students to learn printing and wood work. A lot different than the parish high school a block away which really didn’t offer as much, the students went home at lunch or brownbagged it,

However, larger diocesan high schools offered a lot more in academics that what parish schools or even public schools did.

Other public schools didn’t have the fights and such we had. I don’t think you can make a blanket declaration.
 
Thank you! I was being caught in the logic of anarcho-capitalism myself and not able to step out of it.
 
I’m confused at the whole “anti-American” bit.

Unless things changed since I graduated (which they might have) in '02, I never learned that America was a bad guy. In fact, I was horrified when I started looking at history on my own, through various sources, to learn we’re not saints. That’s not to say that I think America is the Devil, but we certainly inherited the crown from the British Empire when it comes to our place in the world, and all the good and the bad that such a thing embodies.

Why shouldn’t good Americans care more about the bad things their country does than the bad things some other country does? We live here. And when the actions of our politicians and global policy are responsible, directly and indirectly for bad things happening, why shouldn’t we call it out?
 
pnewton said:
By indoctrination, do you meant teaching about God? The literal meaning of indoctrination is educating. That is kind of what school is about
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I find it funny when atheists throw the term around.
You see, what they really mean is they’re upset they’re unable to indoctrinate other people’s children with ease. Nature abhors a void.
 
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Children are like sponges and no matter what school they attend if the parents are behaving polar opposite of what our faith teaches, and they are left with very confused children.

Of course it’s better to have children in Jesus presence during the day in school but the sad thing is, sometines they go home to parents who are not reinforcing faith, and sometimes detracting from it as well.

Catholic school can only do so much-- as the primary educators are the family.
 
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I wish I recalled the source of this little comparison, but I’ve convinced myself this is the type of cough and cold that calls for middle of the day whiskey and nostalgically returned to these forums I was missing.

Education has no list of necessary ingredients. It has no perfect recipe. We are making people here not soup.
 
Canadian here. Do all parishes/towns in the US have Catholic schools?

The history in Canada is that Catholic schools were government funded. If there weren’t specific Catholic school boards in the province where I grew up, the arrangement was that wherever the population of a school justified it the Catholic religion could be taught there. Many of the schools in my area were run by or at least had some staff who were religious brothers and sisters. So I grew up with Catechism almost every morning, monthly visits to the church for Confession, preparation for the sacraments etc. That went the way of the dodo around 1968 when the government of the day took over all the school boards and standardized education across the province.

In my present province where all the schools were denominational until 1998 (Catholic, Integrated, Salvation Army, Pentecostal) there are now only 2 Catholic private schools, 1 in the capital city on the east coast of the province and 1 in another city on the west coast of the province. If you live anywhere else your kids either go to public school or you home-school and that’s not an option for many families.
 
Phemie said:
Canadian here. Do all parishes/towns in the US have Catholic schools?
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Not in 2018, but when I was a kid in the 1960’s and early 70’s, the overwhelming majority of parishes had elementary schools and probably about a third had high schools attached.
 
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