Getting clear about homosexuality

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Hi everyone,

I just watched the 2008 movie called “Milk.” It’s a movie based on a true story about the campaign for gay rights in the U.S.

As I watched the movie, I saw the way homosexuals expressed their outrage at the laws that prevented them from getting jobs. I am torn about homosexuality because although I see gay people as human beings, I also see an evil force at work that wants unhealthy sexual acts to run rampant to the destruction of the human race.

What do you guys think?
 
I agree entirely. I’m definitely not anti-gay.I agree with the teaching of the Catholic Church that gays should be treated with respect.
 
I think Christians DO need to be able to say Yes, in some places, and some parts of history, there ARE unjust discrimination against gay people. Pro-gays throw the term homophobe around FAR too often, but here’s the thing; there ARE legitimately people who won’t hire a decent person, just because they are gay. There ARE people who have beaten or killed others because they are gay. THAT is not ok. I don’t think ANYONE here should think that’s ok. Our beliefe that homosexuals should not be granted the right to marry does not mean they should be denied the right of employment, safety, etc.
 
Credendum said:
Hi everyone,

I just watched the 2008 movie called “Milk.” It’s a movie based on a true story about the campaign for gay rights in the U.S.

As I watched the movie, I saw the way homosexuals expressed their outrage at the laws that prevented them from getting jobs. I am torn about homosexuality because although I see gay people as human beings, I also see an evil force at work that wants unhealthy sexual acts to run rampant to the destruction of the human race.

What do you guys think?
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What two grown adults do in their bedroom does not concern me at all. Just because homosexuals have the freedom to love each other doesn’t mean society is going to fail.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Sean Penn won Best Actor Oscar for that…he did a great job.

One thing to keep in mind as you get “clear” on homosexuality…many people who are gay are born gay. Any gay friend I’ve ever had and friends of friends say they’ve always felt gay since childhood, before even puberty strikes…and this was not because of any incident in their life or anything like that. They grew up in “healthy” families–even Catholic ones–and there is nothing in their socialization or experience that “made” them gay.
In fact, as we know, there exists gay Catholic priests, too.

So just something to keep in mind…
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There is not a gay gene. They have been looking for it for decades. You are not born gay. You may be born to have a tendency towards that struggle in your life. You need to listen to Dr. Nicolosi on Catholic Answers about understanding same sex attraction. He did a two part series several months back.

catholic.com/radio/shows/understanding-same-sex-attraction-part-i-6977
catholic.com/radio/shows/understanding-same-sex-attraction-part-ii-6978
 
Chrish1975 said:
What two grown adults do in their bedroom does not concern me at all. Just because homosexuals have the freedom to love each other doesn’t mean society is going to fail.
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u mean freedom to have civil union right? to me it seems gay had d right to love a long time ago
 
Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

SEE catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality
 
Chrish1975 said:
What two grown adults do in their bedroom does not concern me at all. Just because homosexuals have the freedom to love each other doesn’t mean society is going to fail.
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No one ever said that they couldn’t love each other. There is nothing wrong with loving anyone. Love have nothing to do with this. There is something wrong with acting out sexual desires with someone of the same sex. It goes against natural law.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Sean Penn won Best Actor Oscar for that…he did a great job.

One thing to keep in mind as you get “clear” on homosexuality…many people who are gay are born gay. Any gay friend I’ve ever had and friends of friends say they’ve always felt gay since childhood, before even puberty strikes…and this was not because of any incident in their life or anything like that. They grew up in “healthy” families–even Catholic ones–and there is nothing in their socialization or experience that “made” them gay.
In fact, as we know, there exists gay Catholic priests, too.

So just something to keep in mind…
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“Born gay”? Can you point to a scientific source that supports that?

Peace,
Ed
 
Chrish1975 said:
What two grown adults do in their bedroom does not concern me at all. Just because homosexuals have the freedom to love each other doesn’t mean society is going to fail.
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Ah the old bedroom excuse. All well and good until they leave the bedroom, you know? And they have, ages ago. Now they demand not only tolerance, but acceptance as well. They want us to give them children to look after, so it’s not only two adults, but a child as well.
 
Credendum said:
Hi everyone,

I just watched the 2008 movie called “Milk.” It’s a movie based on a true story about the campaign for gay rights in the U.S.

As I watched the movie, I saw the way homosexuals expressed their outrage at the laws that prevented them from getting jobs. I am torn about homosexuality because although I see gay people as human beings, I also see an evil force at work that wants unhealthy sexual acts to run rampant to the destruction of the human race.

What do you guys think?
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People who have homosexual feelings and tendencies are human and should always be treated with respect and kindness. Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with whether you would be good or bad at a job. Thus those laws you speak of aren’t around anymore and anyone who thinks otherwise is dumb. DUH…

However, there is a HUGE difference between respecting someone and treating them with kindness and love, and accepting their sinful behavior. Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

SEE catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality
 
Threep said:
Ah the old bedroom excuse. All well and good until they leave the bedroom, you know? And they have, ages ago. Now they demand not only tolerance, but acceptance as well. They want us to give them children to look after, so it’s not only two adults, but a child as well.
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Agree. There are problems that arise when people of the same sex want to raise children. There is a reason God made it to where only one woman and one man are able to have a child.
 
If the gay movement just wanted acceptance there would be no issue. They are intent on destroying the family structure.

Three days after same-sex unions were legalized in IL, the catholic adoption agencies which channeled 40% of adoptions at the time, was FORCED to close down immediately.

It is not about being sympathetic for those with same sex attraction. That is just a “cover” for the real Agenda.

Consider how same sex relations are being taught in public school sex education classes. This is clear evidence that indoctrination is the next phase.

The family unit will be mostly destroyed in two generations.
 
Remember, no faults divorce has also aided greatly in the destruction of the nuclear family. AKA one mother, one father, married, with their kids.
 
Samuel63 said:
If the gay movement just wanted acceptance there would be no issue. They are intent on destroying the family structure.

Three days after same-sex unions were legalized in IL, the catholic adoption agencies which channeled 40% of adoptions at the time, was FORCED to close down immediately.

It is not about being sympathetic for those with same sex attraction. That is just a “cover” for the real Agenda.

Consider how same sex relations are being taught in public school sex education classes. This is clear evidence that indoctrination is the next phase.

The family unit will be mostly destroyed in two generations.
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This entirely. Who are some of the biggest supporters of the gay rights movement? Feminists, who have had an intense hatred of the patriarchal family for decades. They have long regarded it as an old, sexist and oppressive remnant of the past and have sought its destruction for just as long. That’s why, as beenwashed pointed out below, that no-fault divorce was pushed so strongly by these feminists - to destroy marriage and patriarchal families. And by God they are winning!

In regards to Catholic adoption agencies, they should have just stayed open anyway and continued to discriminate. They should have refused to budge until they were forced to be shut down.
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Remember, no faults divorce has also aided greatly in the destruction of the nuclear family. AKA one mother, one father, married, with their kids.
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edwest2 said:
And gays are getting divorced as well. Your point?
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Irrelevant. “Gay marriage” isn’t even a real thing anyway.
 
The current theory is that sexuality is to be imagined on a horizontal line. Everyone is born somewhere on this line. Masculine traits on one end eof the line, feminine traits on the other. Males fall closer to the masculine end and women toward the feminine end. It gets different when a male is born on the feminine side and vice versa. This is also used to explain why some men are very masculine and why some women are very feminine, they are closer to the end of their gender line than most people. Bi sexual people are close to the center.

This is the theory of the apa (american psychology association)
This answer is for the question born gay?

Anyway Jesus said that loving our neighbor as ourselves is one of the two greatest commandments. And that’s that.
 
edwest2 said:
“Born gay”? Can you point to a scientific source that supports that?

Peace,
Ed
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Do you have a scientific source for the existence of god over the flying spaghetti monster?

There seem to be reasonable arguments on either side.

For what it’s worth, I’ve had same sex encounters, brought about my own choice. I don’t for a second agree that people are born gay. We have free will and make choices, that’s it.

I can’t see how homosexuality is any different from pedophilia to be honest. People just making sick choices, with society becoming accepting of one evil but not another.
 
I have never understood how people can say, “They are not born that way…” If you are not gay yourself, how ever would you know ? you are just making guesses that you hope are true… Now, if you are gay yourself, then you KNOW that you ARE born that way… I know I was born THAT way… LOL
 
I don’t agree with either of you. I don’t think there IS one catch all here. Born that way, conditioned that way, make a choice; especially between those last two, why on earth does anytone think that’s how it is for everyone? I get especially upset when someone just gives a blanket excuse of, it’s just a choice.

Yes, you make the choice to ACT on such impulses, but feeling a deep desire and attraction to the same sex to begin with? is often NOT a choice. Wether people are born that way or, have merely felt that way so long they don’t remember anything else, i do not know.
 
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