Getting rid of kneelers

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Hope1960 said:
We have carpeting and it’s not clean, IMO.
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That’s a real problem, needless to say.

And one of the main advantages to a hard floor- a lot easier to clean.

People are not inclined to kneel on a filthy floor
 
And unless you have the ability to steam clean it every week, it is going to be dirty. Aside from dirt tracked in by hundreds of feet, there is also the food/candy/milk/soda mess where the kid feeding buffets happen.
 
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And unless you have the ability to steam clean it every week, it is going to be dirty. Aside from dirt tracked in by hundreds of feet, there is also the food/candy/milk/soda mess where the kid feeding buffets happen.
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Any cushioning on kneelers should definitely be covered in vinyl as well.

I was having a similar discussion with someone online driving Uber. I told him I wouldn’t think of it since I don’t have rubber floors and vinyl seats in my ride (like they have in yellow cabs). Its the same thing in church as well as stadiums and arenas.
 
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SeasideChef said:
nothing annoys me more than seeing someone lounging on a pew with their feet propped up on a kneeler.
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Lounging? Some of us don’t have feet that reach the floor so the kneeler helps us not feel like we’re Edith Ann in the big chair.

And, yes, restaurant tables make me want to ask for a booster seat.
 
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That’s not the same thing and absolutely was in no reference to a situation like yours.
 
Maybe a compromise would be helpful. Carpet in the aisles so it’s a non-slip surface (and no one would need to kneel on it), and hard surface under the pews (where everyone takes tiny steps anyway), and then there would be a lot of hard surface for a better acoustic.
When there are low ceilings and carpet, like a hotel ballroom (and most recently built Catholic churches), the acoustic is dead and horrible. Apparently it discourages people from singing (into a dead acoustic space), and Catholic churches are not exactly known for pouring money into their sound systems.
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
Catholic churches are not exactly known for pouring money into their sound systems.
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Most of your old-school churches didn’t need to make the expenditure with high ceilings and an elevated pulpit, they were designed for the pre-electric age
 
Yeah, but the post 1960s churches do need sounds systems - - because they are designed with horrendous acoustics. My parish church was built in 1975, and the sound system is bad. It has carpet. Relatively low ceiling. The acoustics are bad. Few people sing. (I have been told that there used to be orange naugahyde on the walls, until a renovation in the 1980s or 1990s). The irony is that my diocese posted this article on their FB page recently :

 
Shouldn’t be kneelers, and pews should be removed too…and carpeting? No way…got to get away from these new fangled trends, and go back to how it used to be back in my day…gothic cathedrals with stone floors, no heat, and only lights from candles and what comes through stained glass windows…next thing you know people will be depriving us of a good burning of the stake of heretics!🤣
 
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NOT YET! They’re just getting rid of the Holy Spirit w de-emphazing the Charismatic groups. Also, cancelling Vatican II, going back to Latin. We have a French, Spanish and Vietnamese mass 1x per month. I pray, they throw us a bone w a Charismatic mass or vernacular mass once a week. 0830 can be Latin. 10am can be Vatican II, 1230 remains Spanish. Or twice a month. Many are not happy w change.
I’m went off thread of kneeler=No. Stayed on a thread of change. Confessing my discontent.
In Christ’s Love
Tweedlealice
 
Hereiam said:
not true in my part of the American Southwest.
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The Catholic Church has been growing in the Sun Belt, after so many Catholics fled the Rust Belt.
Not to mention a fair number of Catholics coming from south of the border.
 
The church I was married in had thick dark red leather cushions to kneel on. They made a lot less noise, and if not everyone in the pew was kneeling, it was less of an obstacle. There was less commotion getting in and out for communion as well. The cushions just slid under the pew in front of you when you weren’t using them.

The ex (Episcopal) church my son’s godmother is a member of (I have an Anglican background) had to move churches when they left the Episcopal diocese, which they did because the Episcopal church seemed to be endorsing all kinds of heresy. They took refuge in a sympathetic 7th day Adventist church, which allowed them to hold services in their building on Sundays, since the Adventist Church worships on Saturdays. They actually took a stack of cushions that people could grab as they went in, so that those who wanted to could still kneel.
 
It’s been a while since I’ve attended Mass in my childhood parish, but as I recall they haven’t changed the kneelers since I was a kid. Although they were padded about 30 years ago, they are still the unattached board kneelers of my childhood, those that can easily be slid out of the way under the seat in front when not needed.
 
we had “carpet” in my parish; but it became threadbare & at great expense it was torn out

in its place beautiful white tile was installed

unfortunately , “white tile” shows every muddy boot print & is difficult to maintain
 
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tweedlealice said:
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NOT YET! They’re just getting rid of the Holy Spirit w de-emphazing the Charismatic groups. Also, cancelling Vatican II, going back to Latin. We have a French, Spanish and Vietnamese mass 1x per month. I pray, they throw us a bone w a Charismatic mass or vernacular mass once a week. 0830 can be Latin. 10am can be Vatican II, 1230 remains Spanish. Or twice a month. Many are not happy w change.
I’m went off thread of kneeler=No. Stayed on a thread of change. Confessing my discontent.
In Christ’s Love
Tweedlealice
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I think that’s a bit of a mistake to say that a Vatican II style Mass would be in the vernacular.

"5. Did Vatican II discourage Latin?

Some people think, or have the perception, that the Second Vatican Council discouraged the use of Latin in the liturgy. This is not the case.

Just before he opened the Council, Bl. Pope John XXIII in 1962 issued an Apostolic Constitution to insist on the use of Latin in the Church. The Second Vatican Council, although it admitted some introduction of the vernacular, insisted on the place of Latin: “Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites” (SC, n. 36).
http://www.ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/latinvernac.HTM
 
We have kneelers. It’s easier for me to kneel than to stand for long periods of time.
 
Our quite traditional pastor just had very nice carpet installed in our church (built in the '60s). I believe other flooring options were considered but the feeling was carpet was quieter. No “click. click. click” from high heels etc.
 
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