Gifts & Fruits of CCR

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springbreeze:
Dear friends

Can someone tell me what Holy Laughter is?

I have laughed in prayer because of the joy of God and love for God and a surge of God’s consolation and love in my heart, is that something similar?

Thank you for any replies

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
Holy Laughter has also manifested itself in Catholic revival. Msgr Vincent Walsh holds groups, conferences and retreats in Catholic facilities. Again this is a simple gift of the Spirit, but it could be part of the fruit of joy. Tears was always considered another of the simple gifts, so joy and laughter certainly do seem logical.
 
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Mysty101:
Absolutely–I did undersand you to be saying this. I responded to your comments, but also for any lukers.

My main point is to get detractors (others-definitely not you) to let go of the private interpration of Paul’s instructions to the Corinthians. Of course we must heed the cautions, but this does not indicate that we are not to pray in tongues.

I do not comment much on Speaking in tongues, since I am not familiar with that aspect of tongues.

Hear’s a little something from “scriptures for speaking in tongues
Did you know that tongues is the only gift "YOU " can turn on and off at will.
This does need more clarification.
Again, this is not referring to Speaking in Tongues (the teacing gift which in not too common and would require interpretation) This refers to the simple aspect of the gift of Praying in tongues, and it is not so much that it can be turned on and off totally at will, but it can be encouraged, or discouraged, and it can definitely be silenced.
 
Now, my thoughts on tongues.

I was baptized in an Assemlies of God church in my early twenties. Believe me when I say I am no stranger to hearing people speak in tongues, or pray in tongues.

As far as speaking in tongues, this is something that Paul does list as a spiritual gift, along with the gift of translation. I never received the gift of tongues, or for that matter the gift of translation. I do remember hearing several messages both spoken and translated during Sunday morning services.

Did these people really have those gifts? Well, that wasn’t for me to decide. What I did know, was that the messages were always uplifting and never stayed from what our church taught. I would have been suspicious, however, if the messages ever strayed from what I believed based on my knowledge of the Scriptures.

My point is simply this, it isn’t up to us to decide if a perspn truly has the gift of tongues. It is up to us to be smart enough to discern what is right or wrong based off what our faith teaches us.

As far as praying in tongues, yes I do pray in tongues. I see praying in tongues as a gift that allows me to express my feelings to God when words simply wont come out of my mouth. At least not words that another person would understand. Is it an emotional state that brings this on? For me, most definately! It is me in such a deep emotional prayerful state that my speech literaly becomes a language that is no longer understandable. It is no different than a child who is so upset that you can’t understand the words coming out of their mouth. Is it a gift? Absoutely! It is a gift that allows me to continue my conversation with God, and since God is all knowing, He understands perfectly well what I am saying.

As far as those who don’t buy into it, that is okay by me. It isn’t appropriate, however, for you to make judgements against it. it isn’t appropriate for you to think less of a person who does believe in it. That isn’t your job as a Christian.
 
Thanks Rich,

I see from your profile that you are Catholic. Do you belong to a Catholic Prayer Group, or attend Catholic Charismatic services?
It is no different than a child who is so upset that you can’t understand the words coming out of their mouth.
Yes, that is a good analogy—does anyone translate baby talk, or humming, or La ti da, or oh oh oh set to music? These are sounds, and a prayer tongue is prayer sounds.
 
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Mysty101:
Thanks Rich,

I see from your profile that you are Catholic. Do you belong to a Catholic Prayer Group, or attend Catholic Charismatic services?
Yes, that is a good analogy—does anyone translate baby talk, or humming, or La ti da, or oh oh oh set to music? These are sounds, and a prayer tongue is prayer sounds.
Yes, I am very Catholic! The parish I attend is not an official charismatic parish, but we do have a more charismatic style of worship. We do have contempory music and it is quite common for people to lift their hands up as they sing. You wont hear anyone speaking in tongues during mass. We do have a charismatic prayer group that meets weekly and many of our ministries are very charismatic. Our women’s and men’s groups are very charismatic. I also belong to Christians in Commerce, a men’s group that meets weekly at our parish. It is an Ecumenical group and is also charismatic. Our Priests are also chrarismatic in that they all pray in tongues. I have had one priest pray in spanish, latin, and a prayer tongue after a confession. His deep sincerity during this confeesion was amazing. I felt as though he was actually pooring out his soul as he prayed and gave absolution.
 
I do know what you felt–Our Pastor also prays in tongues, and it is wonderfully comforting, and there have been unexplained healings.
 
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Mysty101:
Holy Laughter has also manifested itself in Catholic revival. Msgr Vincent Walsh holds groups, conferences and retreats in Catholic facilities. Again this is a simple gift of the Spirit, but it could be part of the fruit of joy. Tears was always considered another of the simple gifts, so joy and laughter certainly do seem logical.
Hi Mysty

Thank you for your reply.

I see, sorry to ask you for yet more information but can you point me to any place online where I can read about the gift of tears and the gift of laughter/joy.

Thank you in advance

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
And here I thought CCR stood for Credence Clearwater Revival. I was going to list “Down on the Corner”, “Fortunate Son”, and “Midnight Special”. :confused:
 
Yes, that would be the answer for music, but in religion, it’s Catholic Charismatic Renewal.
 
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springbreeze:
Hi Mysty

Thank you for your reply.

I see, sorry to ask you for yet more information but can you point me to any place online where I can read about the gift of tears and the gift of laughter/joy.

Thank you in advance

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
Teresa,

Rvival is an extention or Renewal, and more badmouthed, even by many Charismatics. It was very popular in Presentation BVM Parish near Philadelphia when Msgr Walsh was Pastor. I’m not sure where he is now, but I understand he is still holding retreats in New Jersey.
 
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Mysty101:
Teresa,

Rvival is an extention or Renewal, and more badmouthed, even by many Charismatics. It was very popular in Presentation BVM Parish near Philadelphia when Msgr Walsh was Pastor. I’m not sure where he is now, but I understand he is still holding retreats in New Jersey.
Hi Mysty

Thanks for the reply anyway. I’m in the Uk so not much I can do about New Jersey. I was thinking more of something I could read up on about what you are posting here.

God Bless
Teresa
 
Hi again,

This is from Msgr Walsh’s old site-- I haven’t been to Philadelphia recently, --I’ll see if I can find anything more recent. Again remember this is a simple manifestation–not to be confused with the gifts of Corinthians.
What About This Holy Laughter?
Holy laughter is a sign for the revival, and it is very common, it generally happens at every prayer meeting. It is not human in origin, it is much different. I could best liken it to “rivers of living water”.
  1. Most people yield to laughter by some contact with a Revival group. Just sitting in a group where holy laughter is present can trigger the gift (even at the first meeting). Many receive the gift through the laying on of hands. In other words, people coming to a Revival group see and experience people laughing.
  1. Many see other people experiencing this gift at a revival meeting but experience it for themselves in a smaller setting, or by the laying on of hands, or by themselves.
  1. Holy laughter is an abiding gift. Once a person has experienced this touch of God, they tend to experience it again and again, usually during a prayer gathering but also privately.
  1. The laughter can happen any time or any place, although the person can exercise some control over the gift. The greatest and deepest experiences ocurs in the Revival Meeting where praise and worship and the prophetic gifts prepare the person for this manifestation.
  1. As the group continues to yield to the Revival manifestations, more of the members come into the gift of laughter.
  1. No reason exists why this gift cannot be for everyone just as the charismatic experiences of Baptism of the Spirit and praying in tongues were for all.
  1. Some people experience holy laughter at their first meeting. For others, it comes later. However, if the person stays around the Revival group long enough, they will probably experience the gift.
  1. Our experiences have shown that laughter has many purposes. (This is why laughter must not be set aside as an optional gift.)
The Fruit of Laughter
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 Laughter makes prayer much easier and invites the group to pray longer.
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 This joy opens the person and the group to other Revival manifestations. The laughter can happen any time or any place, although the person can exercisesome control over the gift. The greatest and deepest experiences occurs in the Revival group where praise and prophecies prepare the person for this manifestation.  As the group continues to yield to the Revival manifestations, more of the members come into the gift of laughter.
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 Laughter lifts burdens and opens a person's heart quickly to God's action.
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 Laughter is very healing. One lady in our group was healed of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome by the Lord through the gift of Holy Laughter. Others have seen years of depression just lift and stay gone. Human laughter cannot bring this about.
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 Only God can truly heal a heavy heart.
 
“If God is for us, who can be against us”

The SI Conference continued it’s Silver Jubillee at the 25th Annual Night last Friday. Bishop Sam Jacobs of Louisiana reminded us that nothing can separate us from the love of God, except our own will. He also reaffirmed the renewal telling us of a statement from Cardinal Ratzinger before he was elected Pope Benedict.

(reported in the Good News Magazine)
myweb.tiscali.co.uk/renewaluk/gn0301/g0301nws.htm
Cardinal Ratzinger Affirms Charismatic Renewal
In a recently published book called ‘God and the World’ in which journalist Peter Seewald, interviews Cardinal Ratzinger, the Cardinal, who is head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith, talked about the Church’s need for ongoing renewal. He said, ‘She {the Church} does certainly need outbreaks of living spirituality. Forms of that kind, in which a new passion for faith emerges that is not politically contrived but has developed from within, have been important for the Church in every age. We have seen how in the 16th century the renewal did not come from institutional authority but through people who were gripped by God and created new movements. This is happening today in a great variety of forms - the charismatic movement is one of them - and this is, you might say, the consolation the Lord sends us by showing that the Holy Spirit is present and still powerful’.
 
Thanks. I loved the quote from our new Pope. O Comforter, Creator Blessed… comes to mind.

I still am too dense to understand the praying/speaking differences completely but at least the praying in tongues is starting to make sense to me. I often feel I am talking to God, but I don’t know what to say.

I’ll continue to read up on all the gifts. As a confirmation catechist, I think it’s important to remember that gifts of the Holy Spirit are not in any way considered exclusive to the CCR. We are supposed to pray to the Holy Spirit to make our gifts known to us.
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Mysty101:
Paula,
I pulled this up, in case you would like to read it.
 
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PJR:
I still am too dense to understand the praying/speaking differences completely but at least the praying in tongues is starting to make sense to me. I often feel I am talking to God, but I don’t know what to say.
I’m sure you’re not. It is only important to stress the difference, when people are concerned that there is no interpretation. Some call both “Speaking in Tongues”, but for clarification I make the distinction. I feel Praying in Tongues is to praying like humming or La, La, la, is to singing. (Don’t lots of people do this when they do not know the words?😉 )
Romans 8: 26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.
I’ll continue to read up on all the gifts. As a confirmation catechist, I think it’s important to remember that gifts of the Holy Spirit are not in any way considered exclusive to the CCR. We are supposed to pray to the Holy Spirit to make our gifts known to us.
Yes, Charismatic worship is great for the young people. Some Life-teen Masses could be more orthodox, but many young people do respond very well to the enthusiastic music. High praise is so neglected, and so beneficial to us—it truly lifts the soul to God. But, as you said these gifts are not exclusive to CCR, or even to Catholics—all Christians have the gifts of the Spirit. It is up to us to use them.

God doesn’t need our praise–He wants it because He loves us, and it is so good for us.
 
I am a new Grammy, and I like to share something sort of related to this.

Some also like to think of Praying in Tongues as “baby talk” to the Father. He knows what we need, so it really doesn’t matter what we say, as long as we communicate with Him.

This is also true when talking to a baby. The baby really doesn’t know or care what we say–he is comforted by our voice. When Becky first brought CJ home he was fussing, so I told her to sing to him. So she sang the ABC’s and he was settling, but she grew tired of singing baby songs. She asked me what to sing. I said, "What do you like?’
She said, “Bon Jovi”
So the baby fell asleep to “Living on a Prayer” and they were both happy.

I would have never thought to suggest this if I hadn’t really thought about Praying in Tongue.
 
I’ll post on this thread, because it doesn’t matter if it gets closed down.

I am trying to forgive the horrible attitude by narrow-minded and out & out mean “Catholics” in the liturgical threads, but it is very difficult.

I do need more of the gifts of the Spirit to be charitable toward these very sad people.

God bless them, and may they be open to the gifts of the Spirit
 
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