Gifts to Notre Dame plunged $120M during year of Obama’s appearance

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Just imagine what some of these gifts could do for Catholic Elementary education.
Is it procedure to use a portion of this money at the elementary level???

I don’t feel sorry for Notre Dame as they made that choice against the advise of many. I will feel very bad if that hurts the little ones and their ability to receive a great education.
 
If you really believe that, you had better change your “Religion:” status on your CAF ID "from “Catholic” to whatever you are now, for the sake of honesty.
i’M a REAL CATHOLIC ,78 years of studying the ins and outs of the Heirarchy , but to tell you the truth would take too long ,and by your eare.ier responce , you probelly would not believe me! I’ll give a little bit and let you call a Saint ,a liar HE SAID over 200 years ago “The Floors of Hell are Paved with the Skulls of bishops”
let me give you another Gem, Most other Religions ,really believe ,that the Catholic leadership , is "The Root of all Evil"Cant you understand!?The do NOTHING in Confronting nor Condemning evil or evildoers?
 
i’M a REAL CATHOLIC ,78 years of studying the ins and outs of the Heirarchy , but to tell you the truth would take too long ,and by your eare.ier responce , you probelly would not believe me! I’ll give a little bit and let you call a Saint ,a liar HE SAID over 200 years ago “The Floors of Hell are Paved with the Skulls of bishops”
let me give you another Gem, Most other Religions ,really believe ,that the Catholic leadership , is "The Root of all Evil"Cant you understand!?The do NOTHING in Confronting nor Condemning evil or evildoers?
Like all people Bishops can be flawed but saying the Pope is owned by homosexuals and his Bishops are phony is over the top.
 
Like all people Bishops can be flawed but saying the Pope is owned by homosexuals and his Bishops are phony is over the top.
You have very good insight, I wrote that same letter to ( most Rev. )Raymond J Burke ,Perfect Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura. his answer was almost like yours, 'The Catholic Church ,in herself ,is Holy and Pure,but her members,as you point out , are often sinful. Since every human person is a sinner,it is true that those who have positions of leadership in the Church are also sinners, Our Lord Himself witnessed the sin of those whom Hehad chosen as shepards of the flock, Yet ,by His Grace ,Hehas kept His Church faithfull,despite the sins of her members, I thought it was a nice answer? Yopu must try to understand the power of homosexuals in relationship to Popes and bishops. in the 50s when homosexuals took over the Seminaries, ALL Popes and bishops did nothing to stop them, and now 60 years latter , their Power is Uncontrollable. JUST like in America? did you know comrade obama appointed 160 homosexuals to various positions in his administration??
 
You have very good insight, I wrote that same letter to ( most Rev. )Raymond J Burke ,Perfect Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura. his answer was almost like yours, 'The Catholic Church ,in herself ,is Holy and Pure,but her members,as you point out , are often sinful. Since every human person is a sinner,it is true that those who have positions of leadership in the Church are also sinners, Our Lord Himself witnessed the sin of those whom Hehad chosen as shepards of the flock, Yet ,by His Grace ,Hehas kept His Church faithfull,despite the sins of her members, I thought it was a nice answer? Yopu must try to understand the power of homosexuals in relationship to Popes and bishops. in the 50s when homosexuals took over the Seminaries, ALL Popes and bishops did nothing to stop them, and now 60 years latter , their Power is Uncontrollable. JUST like in America? did you know comrade obama appointed 160 homosexuals to various positions in his administration??
There is nothing inherently wrong with being a homosexual, only with taking part in homosexual acts. You have no indication if those you are talking about are living chaste lives, and you probably never will. Judge lest not ye be judged.
 
There is nothing inherently wrong with being a homosexual, only with taking part in homosexual acts. You have no indication if those you are talking about are living chaste lives, and you probably never will. Judge lest not ye be judged.
I’m not Judging i’m speaking from the heart and 78 years of knowledge, a male person that acts feminine, and a female person that acts and dresses likea male should most definitly be considered to be mentally -ill.
 
i’M a REAL CATHOLIC ,78 years of studying the ins and outs of the Heirarchy ,
So you must have at least a Professorship in this “study” by now? and unless you started this “study” at primary school you must be at least 90 years old.
but to tell you the truth would take too long ,and by your eare.ier responce , you probelly would not believe me!
Probably not because every single post I have seen from you so far contains at least one blatant outrageous lie.
I’ll give a little bit and let you call a Saint ,a liar HE SAID over 200 years ago “The Floors of Hell are Paved with the Skulls of bishops”
No doubt true that some bishops were and are destined for Hell. But you won’t find any Saint supporting your outrageous claims that homosexuals control the Church, that 40% of priests are homosexuals, and that the Pope promoted hundreds of priests and bishops who he knew had sexually abused children.
let me give you another Gem, Most other Religions ,really believe ,that the Catholic leadership , is "The Root of all Evil"Cant you understand!?
Yet another outrageous lie. Some tiny splinter fundamentalist sects believe that. The leaders of all major non-Catholic religions have warm relations with the Catholic leadership and see them as basically allies.
The do NOTHING in Confronting nor Condemning evil or evildoers?
It would be more accurate to say that secular institutions have this approach. The Catholic Church leadership has shown the way in actively confronting evil and evildoers.
 
Y Yopu must try to understand the power of homosexuals in relationship to Popes and bishops. in the 50s when homosexuals took over the Seminaries, ALL Popes and bishops did nothing to stop them, and now 60 years latter , their Power is Uncontrollable. JUST like in America? did you know comrade obama appointed 160 homosexuals to various positions in his administration??
You must try to understand the facts as distinct from your fevered imaginings. In 1961 Blessed Pope John XXIII ordered that men with homosexual proclivities must not be admitted to religious orders or seminaries. Unfortunately quite a few bishops, rectors and religious superiors in some Western countries were later found to have ignored this papal directive. So Pope John Paul II re-issued the order. The vast majority of bishops have done their best to comply with it. It is nonsense to say that** all **popes and bishops did nothing to stop homosexuals from taking over seminaries.

I would be the last person to under-estimate the damage being caused to secualr society in many Western countries by active homosexuals and their supporters. But the Catholic Church is just about the only institution which IS still resisting their insidious power. You have picked the wrong target.

You may be a Catholic by baptism but you are telling outrageous lies about the Church which have been invented by anti-Catholic bigots.
 
I’m not Judging i’m speaking from the heart and 78 years of knowledge, a male person that acts feminine, and a female person that acts and dresses likea male should most definitly be considered to be mentally -ill.
There is nothing immoral about being mentally ill. And many people who suffer from same-sex attraction disorder do not dress or act like the opposite sex.
 
Well, if it were me, I’d disenfranchise Notre Dame as a Catholic university, and remove the priestly faculties and laicize all those clergy who were guilty of refusing to support and promote the Catholic faith. Then, it could be what it really is, a private, secular college.
Might be better to launch a “tea party” insurgency and take the place back.
 
ND had the “choice” of who they deemed fit to invite for a special honor.

It sounds like the donors to ND were also “pro-choice”; i.e., they had a “choice” of where their donation money would go, and the “chose” to do something else with it. 👍
AMEN!
 
Sadly this is almost certainly due to the 2008-09 economic downturn. Presumably most of the donations for the June 2008 - July 2009 year were made before the eruption of the controversy about the Obama ceremony on 17th May.
Exactly right. I’m not sure why this tidbit is turning into a rehash of the Obama visit. Here is a miniature timeline:
  • Giving from July 2007 - June 2008: $347,155,514
  • Severe financial crisis comes to light: September 2008
  • Obama visit: May 2009
  • Giving from July 2008 - June 2009: $226,689,374
The impact from Obama’s visit would be more keenly felt in the fiscal year from July 2009-June 2010, figures which are curiously absent.

I’m sure Obama’s visit had some impact, but it surely wasn’t anything close to $120 million dollars worth. That is, unless we are to expect that Notre Dame would have received that much in the last three months of their fiscal year.

And what happened in September of 2008, right at the start of that fiscal year? Oh yeah, the economy tanked. But Notre Dame’s shortfall has to do with Obama?

Believe me, I completely agree with those who protested Obama’s appearance at Notre Dame. It was a terrible scandal. But I think this story shows that some people are trying to get a little bit too much mileage from that controversy.
 
Sadly this is almost certainly due to the 2008-09 economic downturn. Presumably most of the donations for the June 2008 - July 2009 year were made before the eruption of the controversy about the Obama ceremony on 17th May.
Nonetheless, the controversy was not welcome. For the first time seeds of doubts about the Hesburgh agenda have been sown.
 
Exactly right. I’m not sure why this tidbit is turning into a rehash of the Obama visit. Here is a miniature timeline:
  • Giving from July 2007 - June 2008: $347,155,514
  • Severe financial crisis comes to light: September 2008
  • Obama visit: May 2009
  • Giving from July 2008 - June 2009: $226,689,374
The impact from Obama’s visit would be more keenly felt in the fiscal year from July 2009-June 2010, figures which are curiously absent.

I’m sure Obama’s visit had some impact, but it surely wasn’t anything close to $120 million dollars worth. That is, unless we are to expect that Notre Dame would have received that much in the last three months of their fiscal year.

And what happened in September of 2008, right at the start of that fiscal year? Oh yeah, the economy tanked. But Notre Dame’s shortfall has to do with Obama?

Believe me, I completely agree with those who protested Obama’s appearance at Notre Dame. It was a terrible scandal. But I think this story shows that some people are trying to get a little bit too much mileage from that controversy.
The actual number I heard was something like $8 million withheld because of Obama. Not enough to shake the composure of the Board. Not that I know what was said there.
 
The actual number I heard was something like $8 million withheld because of Obama. Not enough to shake the composure of the Board. Not that I know what was said there.
That seems like a more likely number to me. Did you see that figure in an article somewhere?
 
Maybe it wasn’t just Obama directly but other questionable actions surrounding that sick travesty. Has anyone heard of the 88 people who were praying the rosary at the time on campus who were arrested and are now being prosecuted to the full extent of the law?..

Makes me want to send my money elsewhere.
I hope people are giving it to the Thomas More Society in Chicago which is defending those 88 people. It’s so wonderful to have a Catholic legal group to help out those legally attacked because of exercising their faith and their pro-life beliefs. But those groups can’t keep going without donations.
 
I hope people are giving it to the Thomas More Society in Chicago which is defending those 88 people. It’s so wonderful to have a Catholic legal group to help out those legally attacked because of exercising their faith and their pro-life beliefs. But those groups can’t keep going without donations.
Unfortunately, the Notre Dame 88 is now 87; one lady passed away earlier this year. Representatives of the Thomas More Society requested that the charges against her be dropped when it was clear that she was in her last days. That request fell upon deaf ears.
 
It should be reduced to zero. No one should donate to any Catholic-in-Name-Only college.
This is one statement that I totally agree with. The man is totally pro abortion and believes in the Culture of Death. The college was wrong and appears to be paying the price.
 
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