Gingrich: John Bolton will be my secretary of state

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CMatt25 said:
There are issues as well in which conservatives like Gingrich and I imagine Bolton, favor government intruding upon others beliefs. That’s all I’m going to say about it though so we don’t veer too far from the discussion.
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I know, which is why I lose out no matter what. In the end, without some drastic changes in American beliefs somehow or God forbid another war, you will win out. Government will take power over everything you wish it to take power over, it’s inevitable. It’s what governments do.
 
God help us. John Bolton doesn’t belong anywhere near the Whitehourse. Prbably bomb Iran on his first day as secretary of State. Perhaps it’s time I start considering applying for Swiss citizenship.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
I know, which is why I lose out no matter what. In the end, without some drastic changes in American beliefs somehow or God forbid another war, you will win out. Government will take power over everything you wish it to take power over, it’s inevitable. It’s what governments do.
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Ya know that trhing you’re using right now, the internet, was invented at the behest of the government by people in its employ, don’t you? And you know that the state voluntarily privatized it, right? I know, I know, 4 more years of Obama and we’ll be living in Oceania from 1984. I bet you said the same thing about Clinton in '96. Or perhaps Carter in '76. Always the same story.
 
Raskolnikov said:
Ya know that trhing you’re using right now, the internet, was invented at the behest of the government by people in its employ, don’t you? And you know that the state voluntarily privatized it, right? I know, I know, 4 more years of Obama and we’ll be living in Oceania from 1984. I bet you said the same thing about Clinton in '96. Or perhaps Carter in '76. Always the same story.
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No, I didn’t know the difference between a Democrat or a Republican while Clinton was in office. Couldn’t tell you which one was associated with which animal and if you’d walked up to me and said “Hey, we should have universal healthcare in such a rich country, don’t you agree?”

I probably would have said Yes.

I was born in '78, so I couldn’t tell you much of anything about Carter other than what I’ve read.

As far as Oceania goes, no…probably not. Not anytime soon anyway.
 
Pro_Bono said:
I’m getting the impression that Newt just wants to win the next episode of Survivor. He’ll do or say anything to stay in the spotlight. Throwing out red meat is a favorite ploy. He must not think too much of the office of the president of the United States. I’m tired of reality show politicians. Can anyone explain to me why the contestants have to be cleared through Donald Trump?
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:rotfl::bounce:👋
 
I’m not particularly an admirer of Woodrow Wilson. For one thing, he segregated Washington, D. C., and it’s difficult to forgive him for that. I presume we can trace this to his Confederate roots? But Wilson at least tried to move the world toward genuine peace, while Bolton seems to ache for more war. Certainly his rhetoric could lead to that.
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If Bolton were Secretary of State. I'm not sure I would go to Switzerland, as much as I admire that country which has been smart enough to stay out of modern wars. I might consider our good neighbor to the north, Canada, where my French-Canadian grandparents were born, and another country I admire. But what a disaster to have Bolton at the helm in relating us to the rest of the world. I want to be kind, but words like hysterical, off the wall, moonstruck, ludicrous, cockamamie, absurd, belligerent, bristling, bellicose,and irrational come to mind when I think of his foreign policy posture..God save us!

 And God bless America!
 
meltzerboy said:
There are several possibilities why many of the American people are willing to support Gingrich regardless of the points you raise about his past. One is they have a short memory or are simply unaware of his history. Another is they are so disillusioned with politicians in general that they don’t expect much better. They might also be willing to forgive Newt, realizing they are not electing a saint; and it may even be desirable to some that he shows such arrogance, a quality they believe is sorely needed for a Presidential leader. Even though many Americans are fed up with big government, Gingrich comes off as a kind of anti-government political insider, and the people think we may need someone with more experience and imagination than Obama to fix the economy. Finally, some would vote for virtually ANYONE except the current President. I believe Gingrich would give Obama a good run for the money if he becomes the GOP candidate.
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Are you talking about a specific piece of Newt’s history? What exactly is the history you are talking about?
 
CMatt25 said:
Even with an imperfect Obama, in such an Obama-Gingrich contest with Bolton in the wings as the potential Secretary of State, I personally would not be able to sit out (which I never do anyway) nor do I believe right now I would I be able to vote 3rd party (which I have done in a gubernatorial race). Residing in one of the swing states for electoral votes, doing either of those for me would be helping Gingrich.
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Ah…I knew some posters would eventually develop their justification for voting Obama.
 
CMatt25 said:
I think it got worse after Vice President Gore won the people’s vote nationwide and the SCOTUS awarded “W” the Electoral and the subsequent Bush yrs caused further division. Then the election of President Barack Obama caused further division coming from the extreme right. But first of all I don’t believe though Christ calls us to leave everyone alone. And another problem with your solution of leaving everyone alone, is you would have to do so across all areas. And I know conservatives are not willing to do that.
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Gee whiz, Matt. Are you not aware that with all the recounting that went on in Florida, that bush actually won the vote? The SC did not award anything to anyone, they merely upheld the voting procedure that was in effect at the time. States set their own procedures, not the federal government.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
[could you list all the specifics?]
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Not everyone sees America’s fiery ambassador—with his remarkable white walrus moustache under a reddish-brown thatch—quite that way. Indeed, probably his most noted trait during his brief 16-month stint in New York has been his inability, or unwillingness, to make friends and build alliances in an organisation where networking, compromise and consensus are the order of the day. “Instinctively, he’s a bully,” one Western ambassador complained. “He has succeeded in putting almost everyone’s back up, even among America’s closest allies.”
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The most vocal advocate of UN reform has come to be seen as one of the main obstacles to change. “Bolton’s main achievement has been to unify the G77 [a group of 131 developing nations plus China] and to radicalise them,” says a senior UN official who was previously well disposed towards him. “Without him, the reform process would have been much easier. That doesn’t mean that all he has done has been negative. We needed someone to put his foot down. The big problem with Bolton is not what he has tried to achieve, but his style.” That is a view with which many seem to agree.
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Dale_M said:
So does Mitt Romney. In fact, he is a Life Member.

(Of course, he didn’t join until 2006)
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Romney may be a flip-flopper, but he’s predictable and trustworthy insofar as you can trust him to go whichever way the wind blows. I’d take a career politician like Romney over a deluded demagogue like Gingrich any day.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
[could you list all the specifics?]
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Here is a specific: an editorial praising Bolton for attempting to reform the UN Human Rights Commision. The editorial is from the NY Times of all things, and I realize that it is a departure from the hyperbole, labeling, and smearing of John Bolton - such as comparing him to the Nazis in the 30’s. I thought the thread needed some substance.

"When it comes to reforming the disgraceful United Nations Human Rights Commission, America’s ambassador, John Bolton, is right; Secretary General Kofi Annan is wrong; and leading international human rights groups have unwisely put their preference for multilateral consensus ahead of their duty to fight for the strongest possible human rights protection…

Mr. Bolton…represents the United States, with its long and proud human rights tradition. We hope that his refusal to go along with this shameful charade can produce something better.

There you go. Praise of Bolton from the NY Times. Bolton is definitely blunt and tells it like it is. In a world where there is a lot of evil, that trait is sometimes a good thing. Remember, Reagan called the Soviet Union an “evil empire.”

Ishii
 
mary_bobo said:
Gee whiz, Matt. Are you not aware that with all the recounting that went on in Florida, that bush actually won the vote? The SC did not award anything to anyone, they merely upheld the voting procedure that was in effect at the time. States set their own procedures, not the federal government.
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Having been at the center of it all at the time, yes I’m aware of the hanging chads and the butterfly ballots, votes for Pat Buchanan, and all of it. Folks from both political parties holding ballots up to the light trying to determine a vote and not always agreeing. It is interesting the SC voted along party lines though. Had there been one less conservative on the Court and one more liberal, I wonder if the ruling would have been differently as to what was upheld or not. But no matter. For better or worse we are through that chapter of America history. I just pray in 2012 we don’t have the same result occur with Gingrich and Bolton vs Obama. The nation surely does not need another nightmare like that with another election making its way through the courts all the way to the SCOTUS.
 
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