Girl Altar Serviers

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grasscutter said:
I have never witnessed boy and girl alter servers seeming to flirt and get silly during Mass and I assume no one else has either. This thread is meant by the OP (as far as I understand) to be an exchange of ideas about girls serving at the alter. Please respect that.
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The post in question is an exchange of ideas about girls serving at the altar.
 
I don’t care about the gender of Altar Servers as long as they aren’t dressed like they are at the beach. They don’t need to be wearing flip-flops. When my boys are old enough to serve, they will be wearing a shirt, tie, dress shoes, slacks. If my daughter wants to serve, she will wear a skirt, dress or slacks. If the Servers show reverence for their ministry, that is what is most important to me.
 
YoungTradCath said:
The post in question is an exchange of ideas about girls serving at the altar.
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I disagree. The post trivializes the original question. Really?!? There is an epidemic of flirting while serving Mass going on??? The issue has now become so clouded that no one can see clearly…
 
Sharen said:
I don’t care about the gender of Altar Servers as long as they aren’t dressed like they are at the beach. They don’t need to be wearing flip-flops. When my boys are old enough to serve, they will be wearing a shirt, tie, dress shoes, slacks. If my daughter wants to serve, she will wear a skirt, dress or slacks. If the Servers show reverence for their ministry, that is what is most important to me.
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And, you totally rock! Your children are lucky to have you as a mum!
 
tafan said:
So when the Church does not allow it, you are also fine with that? I know of parishes and at I have heard of one diocese in the US that girls are not allowed to be altar servers. I believe other countries (I think Mexico is one), they are not allowed in the entire country.
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If the Vatican says “no,” then I will say “no” also. In other words, I will agree with the Vatican.

Girl altar servers never bothered me really. I never gave too much thought into it, but if the Church allows it, I don’t see the problem.
 
Phemie said:
Jesus did things that flew in the face of the religious laws of his time. If he had wanted to call women to be apostles he would have done so.
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Not only did he go against customs in dealing with women, Samaritans, lepers, tax collectors; but he also went against the interpretation of sabbath laws, he violently drove money changers out of the temple, and He accepted a humiliating and painful death.

It seems choosing women for a role that was unknown at that time ( and hence had not norms established) would have been trivial by comparison.
 
tafan said:
It seems choosing women for a role that was unknown at that time ( and hence had not norms established) would have been trivial by comparison.
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Actually, it WAS known at the time. The pagan religion of Greece and Rome had priestesses.

And since several of the early Popes, and St. Luke himself, were of pagan Greek origin, they would have had no cultural biases against women in the priestly role, in fact, it would have seem natural. Yet they did not ordain any women to the presbytery.
 
trickster said:
I would never say that women priests are not within the Catholic Church…who knows what will happen in 500 years 🙂
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This has been infallibly defined and is closed for discussion. I have no concern about female altar servers as I feel they could stimulate vocations to consecrated life and since the Church allows them, in my opinion they are legitimate. However, to say that the Church can or will allow women priests is patently false.

An extremely good presentation of why the Catholic Church cannot and will not have female priests can be found in this CD set. It is incredibly well done and I encourage you to get it.

catholicproductions.com/store/audio/WOG%20Conference/2009/order_conference_set.html
 
Sharen said:
I don’t care about the gender of Altar Servers as long as they aren’t dressed like they are at the beach. They don’t need to be wearing flip-flops. When my boys are old enough to serve, they will be wearing a shirt, tie, dress shoes, slacks. If my daughter wants to serve, she will wear a skirt, dress or slacks. If the Servers show reverence for their ministry, that is what is most important to me.
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Well stated Sharen.

Nice job!
 
Tridentinum said:
We’re not talking about their spiritual lives. This has got to do with tradition, vocations, and the masculinity of the sanctuary. The fact is, altar serving is the pool for priestly vocations in the Church. Girl altar servers started as an act of disobedience, probably fuelled by the want for women prysts by the feminists.
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:clapping::yup:

It’s a perversion. Girls just shouldn’t be doing it, period.
 
Brendan said:
Actually, it WAS known at the time. The pagan religion of Greece and Rome had priestesses.

And since several of the early Popes, and St. Luke himself, were of pagan Greek origin, they would have had no cultural biases against women in the priestly role, in fact, it would have seem natural. Yet they did not ordain any women to the presbytery.
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Agreed. Christianity and Judiasm were the only real religions who did not worship goddesses in addition to gods, and as a result, did not have priestesses. Christians and Jews have always viewed God as masculine thus, only males can serve in a role which requires them to represent God to others. Anyone can represent man to God. It is a question of who can represent God to man through the sacraments.
 
Tridentinum said:
Girl altar servers started as an act of disobedience, probably fuelled by the want for women prysts by the feminists.
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Do you have any documentation on that? I’m not claiming you are wrong, I just would like to check that one out as it is the first time I have heard it.

Peace,
 
Brendan said:
And not all jet fighter pilots become astronauts, but that is where they recruit astronauts from, don’t they?

If one wants a larger pool to recruit astronauts from, it helps to make sure there is a large pool of well trained jet fighter pilots.

Lets take a look at the Saints. Almost all of the male saints were, at some point, altar boys.

Of all the female Saints, none were.

So we can see from that that female spirtual development is not hindered in anyway by not being altar servers.

While, at the same time, we can see that it has a profound affect on male spirituality.
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The reason no female saints were is because it wasn’t allowed. Who knows maybe we would have had a lot more woman saints:shrug:

Now lest people jump all down my throat…I am not advocating for women priests…not in any way shape or form…

But it doesn’t mean that woman can’t serve…who was the first person that Jesus appeared to? A woman…

I don’t get all the brew ha about this…if it goes down through all the levels and the priest allows it…what is the problem.
 
Tridentinum said:
We’re not talking about their spiritual lives. This has got to do with tradition, vocations, and the masculinity of the sanctuary. The fact is, altar serving is the pool for priestly vocations in the Church. Girl altar servers started as an act of disobedience, probably fuelled by the want for women prysts by the feminists.
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Whatever.:rolleyes: because everyone who doesn’t mind girl altar servers, woman readers, or woman EMHC’s must be feminists who want woman priests:rolleyes:

I have no problem with the above but I would have BIG problem with woman priests…I don’t even like seeing women Protestants ministers…
 
YoungTradCath said:
For what it’s worth: news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19940414&id=qy4gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=I_EDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6881,1547957

“I guess it shows the Vatican is obeying us.”
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Interesting. Thanks for tracking that down. As stated in the article, it also shows that Rome had allowed female lectors and EMHC prior as well as a panel suggesting the use of female altar servers.

At this point, unless someone can come up with a more compelling reason not to then has already been presented on this and the other 10 thread we have had on it in the last six months, I continue to have no major problem with female altar servers. As long as the Holy See continues to allow it and my local bishop allows it then I will support their decision. If my local bishop should exercise his right, per that article, to not allow it then I will support that as well.

Peace,
 
Capital ENN OH!
…unless, maybe, it`s a Mass at a girls-only venue (eg school).

Other than that, it`s a cave-in to the radical feminists. :eek:
 
rhiannonh said:
Well I am an adult female altar server

God is interested in our hearts isn’t he not?
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Good. What should be wrong about that… Jesus didn’t say to the women at the cross to leave because they were not men… not at all.
God bless you for serving the Lord.
 
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