Girl Altar Serviers

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What if a girl is serving Mass and gets it into her head that she wants to be a priest?
 
trickster said:
Semper. Arianism is a belief that says Jesus was not fully God…and if you read my postings you will clearly see that is not what I am saying. I am saying that Jesus had pre-existence, an existence in the form of Jesus of Nazareth (the incarnation) and Jesus the Christ, the Cosmic everlasting Jesus of all time. The entire nature of Jesus has been the same always, he is everlasting and that my friend is basic catholic teaching.

What I was pointing out is that the Jesus of Nazareth was more likely to be limited to human limits, and he operated in the Hebrew culture of the first century therefore he chose men as his partners in the work that the Father needed him to do…but are we limited to that socio-cultural aspect of Jesus of Nazareth…that is more proper my question when Jesus the Christ might be more open to female alter girls and perhaps even priests…

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Those 3 bolded sections are incompatible.

You say: The nature of Jesus has always been the same. Yes, that is basic Catholic teaching that I believe… but YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THIS.

If you believed it, how can you possibly then say: Jesus of Nazareth wanted one thing, and Jesus Christ wanted another thing.

You’re claiming that Jesus was not always God. And even if you’re not claiming that, you’re literally dividing Jesus and pitting Him against Himself. HEAVEN HAVE MERCY :signofcross:

Jesus was God even when He was in Mary’s womb. Got that? Even in Mary’s womb Jesus was fully God and fully man. When Jesus was 1 He was fully God and fully man, When Jesus was 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 He was fully God and fully Man. When He was Resurrected and stayed on Earth for 40 days He was fully God and fully Man.

I’m now going to triple quote what you claim to believe:
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trickster:
The entire nature of Jesus has been the same always

The entire nature of Jesus has been the same always

The entire nature of Jesus has been the same always
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But, somehow you think that Jesus of Nazareth is different from Jesus the Christ? Well, that’s wrong. Jesus was both from Nazareth and the Messiah… the Christ from the moment when He was conceived in Mary’s womb, to the when He died from crucifixion, to when He ascended into Heaven for the last time.
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trickster:
Jesus of Nazareth was more likely to be limited to human limits,

Jesus the Christ might be more open to female alter girls and perhaps even priests…
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Look at how these statements conflict. Especially given what you said prior to them… which I took the liberty of triple quoting.

Now, let me simplify what’s going on here, why this man is arriving at such a dangerous theology… which he furthermore claims to be Catholic. He wants women to be ordained, but because Jesus Christ’s teachings go completely against women’s ordination, he has to actually change who Jesus was. So, if he gets his way, this will be the result:
  1. Women will be ordained.
  2. They won’t be Christian, because they won’t be following Jesus Christ, they’ll be misrepresenting Him, distorting Him, and very likely they won’t even call him a MAN after very long. So… they will no longer be Christian. And this dangerous theology which I’ve quoted above proves it.
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My advice still stands: visit as many priests in your diocese as you can, and visit the Bishop. And see how many of them agree with your beliefs about Jesus of Nazareth being different from Jesus Christ. If they’re faithful to the Catechism, they will all disagree and tell you that you’ve got it wrong.

Catholic beliefs are black and white like that my friend. Every priest should be able to tell you if you are right or wrong. I bet you’ll notice a pattern that the vast majority all say you are mistaken.
 
Why would anybody in their right mind object to female altar servers? - I despair!
 
White_Peony said:
No.

What if a girl is serving Mass and gets it into her head that she wants to be a priest?
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I respect your choice as “no”, but if the only reason is that which you posted…

What if a girl is the lector and gets it into her head that she wants to be a priest?

What if the girl is an EMHC gets it into her head that she wants to be a priest?

What if the girl is in the choir and gets it into her head that she wants to be a priest?

Or, what if a girl is simply Catholic and gets it into her head that she wants to be a priest?
 
marcella_1981 said:
Why would anybody in their right mind object to female altar servers? - I despair!
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Why would anyone in their right mind despair over Catholics taking one position over another when the Church herself offers us all a choice? Bishops can allow or disallow female altar servers, priests can use or not use female altar servers and the Church’s documents state that the tradition of male altar servers is a “nobel custom” and that males shoud be encouraged to serve. In many countries it is unheard of or very rare for females to serve at the altar. Obviously, there are many people in their right minds who prefer altar servers to be male.
 
I see no problem with it as long as the pope, my local bishop and my pastor approve.
 
anp1215 said:
So the Church allows for a perversion? When our Holy Father used female altar servers in papal Masses, he was perverting the Liturgy?
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When did she say that it was a perversion of the Liturgy? She said it was a perversion of the role of the altar server. Many people would say that Pope Benedict made a mistake by allowing females to altar serve.
 
Tridentinum said:
When did she say that it was a perversion of the Liturgy? She said it was a perversion of the role of the altar server. Many people would say that Pope Benedict made a mistake by allowing females to altar serve.
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Actually I didn’t specify, but yes, that is what I meant. I believe many Catholics don’t even realize that altar BOYS (for they always were BOYS) had a path to the priesthood, at least they had that option, whereas when girls started serving, there is no point at all to them being there. The priesthood is male, and that will never change. Nuns have no business on the altar, so there’s no connection for a girl to serve and then progress to being a religious sister - no reason to serve in that way.

There are roles for females within the Church, but not on the altar.
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
The reason no female saints were is because it wasn’t allowed. .
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It still does not matter. Altar service is clearly not necessary for the developing female spirtuality.

So if a pastor came into a parish and forbade altar girls, it would not affect the development of an authentic Catholic spirituality.
 
LittleHannah said:
Thats exactly what i was thinking. Their can never be women priests so It could’nt lead to a vocation for women. It should only belong to boys because they are the only ones that can have a vocation and we do need many more priests in this day. Just my personal opinion.
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It can’t lead to vocations to the priesthood, but it may lead to vocations to religious life.
 
Angel_Bradford said:
It can’t lead to vocations to the priesthood, but it may lead to vocations to religious life.
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How? Serving on the altar is nothing that female religious can do. I mean, it really is meaningless except for helping the priest…For a boy or young man, there is a career path that is open to him. Women can’t even be deacons in the Church. I would like to see any statistics on how many girls who are altar servers go on to become nuns. How could that service inspire one to join an order, since you would never get to do that job again…

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Corki said:
Why would anyone in their right mind despair over Catholics taking one position over another when the Church herself offers us all a choice? Bishops can allow or disallow female altar servers, priests can use or not use female altar servers and the Church’s documents state that the tradition of male altar servers is a “nobel custom” and that males shoud be encouraged to serve. In many countries it is unheard of or very rare for females to serve at the altar. Obviously, there are many people in their right minds who prefer altar servers to be male.
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I like to think that I’m in my right mind–and I very much prefer altarboys. Our new parish (we moved 900 miles) allows female altar servers, but I only allow my three sons to serve (which works rather nicely as there are “teams” of three so they are a team. In our previous parish, the pastor had restricted it to altarboys and never had a problem keeping enough boys available to serve.

My daughter hasn’t ever expressed a desire to serve (but then she probably is astute enough to know how I feel).
 
Angel_Bradford said:
It can’t lead to vocations to the priesthood, but it may lead to vocations to religious life.
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This:thumbsup: You don’t have to go on to do the same “job”…it can inspire our young women to be closer to God through religious life. I think our young women desperately need that in today’s culture that throws so much at them. Perhaps it will help lead them away from that mindset of being used, of contraception, and of leaving the church. Holy Catholic women is in the best interest of everyone! Who do you think is giving birth to our future priests and deacons?
 
Brendan said:
It still does not matter. Altar service is clearly not necessary for the developing female spirtuality.

So if a pastor came into a parish and forbade altar girls, it would not affect the development of an authentic Catholic spirituality.
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If a pastor came in and used only males…that is his right…as the church allows. But if a pastor decides to use females as well…well the church allows that too.🤷

I would say that altar service is not necessary for female spirtuality but might be useful.
 
Melissa said:
I like to think that I’m in my right mind–and I very much prefer altarboys. Our new parish (we moved 900 miles) allows female altar servers, but I only allow my three sons to serve (which works rather nicely as there are “teams” of three so they are a team. In our previous parish, the pastor had restricted it to altarboys and never had a problem keeping enough boys available to serve.

My daughter hasn’t ever expressed a desire to serve (but then she probably is astute enough to know how I feel).
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I was just thinking about this scenario today…
If I had two children and both wished to serve and I directly or indirectly, or the priest directly, said that only my son could serve, I would be afraid that the girl would feel bad and it might undermine her Christian vocation, whether religious or lay …

We are all called to be good Christians and active in our parishes. Girls and boys alike may or may not find it usefull to be alterservers while they grow closer to God.
The basic criteria for thriving as a Christian and having confidence in God, is to know yourself loved and seen as important by God.

Again I have heard no good reason why girls should not be allowed to serve. I just went to mass and there was a little girl, who looked more proper and concentrated on the task than the boys.
I would think her presence would only disturb petty minds.
 
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