Girl Scout Employee Quits, Not Allowed to Wear Pro-Life Shirt

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Tenofovir said:
Is she allowed to wear say a shirt with Che on it? Or a Pro-Choice shirt? If there is also a ban on such, I would think she shouldn’t wear this one.

The issue of pro-abortion speakers is also contentious. Why are they allowed and not pro-life shirts?..
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Mega 👍 After all, the Girl Scouts do say they “embrace diversity.” What could be more diverse than a message opposite the PP message they do endorse?
 
I’m not that’s why I’m not silent on it either. St. Francis is not God. Jesus is.
 
sedonaman said:
Let’s not. You said what goes for you should go for others without regard to their employer. Where do you get that authority?
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I’m not sure you understand the concept of a joke or how people talk. Since when did this become a personal attack on me?

And I already told you. I do have the authority. I’m LemonAndLime. :hey_bud:
 
sedonaman said:
Somehow I think the rule would not apply to both, only those of the traditionalist persuasion. Besides, I think the original given was a T-shirt, not someone talking to you.
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Ironically, I don’t disagree with you that a conservative would face more issues than a liberal. (Is that what your trying to say? I think it is) But I can walk and chew gum at the same time. It’s not a good idea to bring your views to work.

I think the majority of people in the world would agree with me- That’s why I don’t see people wearing t-shirts with political things on them at the bank, hardware store, shooting range…and I’m in NH, a very political state, in particular right now.
 
Tenofovir said:
But would you be offended if a Target employee ONLY wore a Pro-Life shirt and did not speak to you about pro-life issues?
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If they only wore a shirt I hope they wouldn’t speak to me until they put on some trousers.
 
Rascalking said:
Ironically, I don’t disagree with you that a conservative would face more issues than a liberal. (Is that what your trying to say? I think it is) …
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Yes.👍
It’s not a good idea to bring your views to work.
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Normally, I would agree, but as I have pointed out several times here, the Girl Scouts organization claims to “embrace diversity”; they do not exclude diversity of ideas or political points of view. If they are intolerant of ideas that they disagree with, they should stop advertising how much they are in love with diversity.di·ver·si·ty - noun

  1. *]the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness.

    *]variety; multiformity.

    *]a point of difference.

    LemonAndLime doesn’t seem interested in answering this.
 
sedonaman said:
Yes.👍
Normally, I would agree, but as I have pointed out several times here, the Girl Scouts organization claims to “embrace diversity”; they do not exclude diversity of ideas or political points of view. If they are intolerant of ideas that they disagree with, they should stop advertising how much they are in love with diversity.di·ver·si·ty - noun

  1. *]the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness.

    *]variety; multiformity.

    *]a point of difference.

    LemonAndLime doesn’t seem interested in answering this.
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  1. Nope I’m not at all interested in diversity. Everyone must either be yellow or green in line with my name or else. Grrrrrr! :mad:

    Now, lets say you’re a nurse who works at a hospital and you are so adamant you should be able to celebrate diversity that you’re gonna wear a pro-life tshirt to work. Or perhaps you’re a lawyer going to court, or a doctor, or a policeman. Do you think their employers or “customers” are going to see them as a professional person? Do you think that perhaps they are being unprofessional by bringing their politics to work? Do you think that maybe it’s perfectly reasonable for their employers to expect them to just do their job without using it as a platform for a soapbox?

    But hey, if I oppose this, I am somehow I freedom-hating wierdo. Hmm.
 
LemonAndLime said:
Nope I’m not at all interested in diversity. Everyone must either be yellow or green in line with my name or else. Grrrrrr! :mad:

Now, lets say …
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Let’s not. The Girl Scouts organization is sending conflicting messages. They claim to embrace diversity [which I provided a dictionary definition] but are intolerant of someone with a diverse viewpoint. Their actions show they are no more interested in diversity than you are; therefore, their website is a bunch of Newspeak. I would think that any lawyer with half his wits about him could make hay with a wrongful dismissal lawsuit against them. :yup:
 
Rascalking said:
It may not be a rule, but it’s a good idea and common sense. Would it really hurt to keep quiet about your personal views at your workplace? If you don’t like what they do, quit and find another job.

I think it’s really unprofessional. I don’t care about my dry cleaners view on tax policy, just do your job.
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Do you care about his views on anything? What if he’s got a computer full of child pornography–is that o.k. with you as long as your clothes come out clean? As long as he just does his job? Why would it be unprofessional to support merchants who hold a similar world view as yourself? If I can get equal service at the same price from two equally qualified people–their world view shouldn’t play into my decision? I think thats crazy. We have a several mexican restaraunts in our town. Once is owned by a fellow parishioner. The food is a good as the other restaraunts–I usually eat at their restaraunt–seems like a no brainer to me.

Peace,
Mark
 
MarkInOregon said:
Do you care about his views on anything? What if he’s got a computer full of child pornography–is that o.k.
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Now, I’m sure your not comparing wearing a pro-choice shirt to a doctor being a pedophile. No, that wouldn’t make any sense, so I don’t think your doing so. Instead, I’ll say your taking what I said to a really weird extreme. There is a HUGE difference between me caring if my doctor is a sexual deviant worthy of being executed…and her wearing a liberal t-shirt.
 
sedonaman said:
Let’s not. The Girl Scouts organization is sending conflicting messages. They claim to embrace diversity [which I provided a dictionary definition] but are intolerant of someone with a diverse viewpoint. Their actions show they are no more interested in diversity than you are; therefore, their website is a bunch of Newspeak. I would think that any lawyer with half his wits about him could make hay with a wrongful dismissal lawsuit against them. :yup:
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The employee was hired by them. If they don’t like the rules, then don’t work for them.

And where is your evidence that I’m not interested in “diversity”? :eek: All because I think its unprofessional for someone to wear a political t-shirt to go to work for a public company/service? Surely a better accusation would be freedom of speech, and even then, your freedom of speech isn’t a greater right than your employers having professional workers.
 
LemonAndLime said:
The employee was hired by them. If they don’t like the rules, then don’t work for them.

And where is your evidence that I’m not interested in “diversity”? :eek: All because I think its unprofessional for someone to wear a political t-shirt to go to work for a public company/service? Surely a better accusation would be freedom of speech, and even then, your freedom of speech isn’t a greater right than your employers having professional workers.
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Your absoutely right again.

Something else to remember is that you can’t claim freedom of speech (in America anyway) if your employer forces you not to wear certian clothes. “Freedom of speech” states that the goverment can’t tell you what to say, not your employer.
 
Rascalking said:
Both. I’m a right wing republican (I’m as pro-life as the church is!:D) and I would get offended if someone wore a pro-life tshirt at Target and tried to lecture me while I was picking out socks. Same thing if I ordered a beer at my favorite resturant and the guy started talking to me about pro-choice arguments.
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You do realize there is a difference between simply wearing the shirt and actually preaching with words? Why is it always assumed that these people wearing the shirt are going to verbally assalt you? To lecture you? They are wearing a shirt. If they were wearing their university shirt, or rock band shirt–would you be expecting that they were going to lecture you about how great their college was or that xyz band is the greatest ever? Shouldn’t you draw a distinction between wearing a shirt and preaching to clients, patrons, co-workers? I don’t run into a lot of people who deal with the public and who are allowed to wear T-shirts on the job. Usually people who do work in the back in a cubicle away from the public–at least in my experience. Most fast food workers, gas station attendents, store clerks etc–have a uniform top of some sort. That said the employer has the right to have a dress code but it needs to be consistent.

Peace,
Mark
 
MarkInOregon said:
You do realize there is a difference between simply wearing the shirt and actually preaching with words? Why is it always assumed that these people wearing the shirt are going to verbally assalt you? To lecture you? They are wearing a shirt. If they were wearing their university shirt, or rock band shirt–would you be expecting that they were going to lecture you about how great their college was or that xyz band is the greatest ever? Shouldn’t you draw a distinction between wearing a shirt and preaching to clients, patrons, co-workers? I don’t run into a lot of people who deal with the public and who are allowed to wear T-shirts on the job. Usually people who do work in the back in a cubicle away from the public–at least in my experience. Most fast food workers, gas station attendents, store clerks etc–have a uniform top of some sort. That said the employer has the right to have a dress code but it needs to be consistent.

Peace,
Mark
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But a band t-shirt isn’t going to be a contraversial as wearing a t-shirt about abortion. Those are deliberately warn to provoke a reaction or make a point, rather than just appreciating the image.
 
Rascalking said:
Your absoutely right again.

Something else to remember is that you can’t claim freedom of speech (in America anyway) if your employer forces you not to wear certian clothes. “Freedom of speech” states that the goverment can’t tell you what to say, not your employer.
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Thank you, heh I know I’m always right, but its nice for someone to say it! Haha, 👍
 
Rascalking said:
Now, I’m sure your not comparing wearing a pro-choice shirt to a doctor being a pedophile. No, that wouldn’t make any sense, so I don’t think your doing so. Instead, I’ll say your taking what I said to a really weird extreme. There is a HUGE difference between me caring if my doctor is a sexual deviant worthy of being executed…and her wearing a liberal t-shirt.
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Where did a doctor come into it? I was talking about someones dry cleaner. Someone implied they didn’t care about their dry cleaners opinions as long as they did their job. I was questioning that–assuming that they do care about their dry cleaners opinions on certain issues. It would appear that I was correct. The point was the opinions of those we purchase our services from are not totally irrelevant to our decision making process–nor do I think they should be. The reason why so many people keep their opinions hidden is because they don’t want to offend and chase off customers who don’t share the same view point. And that’s another discussion.

Peace,
Mark
 
markinoregon said:
you do realize there is a difference between simply wearing the shirt and actually preaching with words? Why is it always assumed that these people wearing the shirt are going to verbally assalt you? To lecture you? They are wearing a shirt. If they were wearing their university shirt, or rock band shirt–would you be expecting that they were going to lecture you about how great their college was or that xyz band is the greatest ever? Shouldn’t you draw a distinction between wearing a shirt and preaching to clients, patrons, co-workers? I don’t run into a lot of people who deal with the public and who are allowed to wear t-shirts on the job. Usually people who do work in the back in a cubicle away from the public–at least in my experience. Most fast food workers, gas station attendents, store clerks etc–have a uniform top of some sort. That said the employer has the right to have a dress code but it needs to be consistent.

Peace,
mark
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your absolutely right
 
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