Girlfriend, love, marriage, and the line

[tjm190]

That is just plain ole modesty and virtue, aka common sense.

My common sense doesn’t tell me that- the bible and the Church say no sex between unmarried people. That is a fine line that we are not to cross. Obviously other things that may or may not be across said line should be avoided (e.g. oral sex), and there are places close to that line where you may be tempted to cross it- but that’s why you should learn your limits.

 

[godsgurl]

It’s really stupid to say “don’t do anything you wouldn’t do in front of your parents,” because NO ONE would have sex etc. in front of their parents even if you were a married couple. Most normal people would agree sex is a private thing - if you’re not mature enough 2 talk with your girl about this - then you’re not mature enough to have sex.

for the record…
yeah you wouldnt have sex in front of your parents, but at that point you are MARRIED and you are supposed to be having sex…humans didnt invent sex…GOD did…FOR MARRIAGE…so at that point, no duh you’ll be having sex
also…
i have good guy friends that i discuss sex with openly…just because people are mature enough to discuss sex with each other does not mean they can have sex because they are mature enough…whether or not it is moral to have premartial sex has nothing to do with your maturity level…it is immoral because it is misused…it is out of marriage. maturity has no ground to make a sin moral.
and ps…you are right i meant WILL regret!

 

[Liraco]

To the original poster, I’d recommend you hear a few of the (free) chastity talks on chastity.com/

To put it simply: you’ll come to regret having gone down this line. The “passion” you seem to feel (which led to those thoughts you said you didn’t before) is just lust, and you’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Help that love grow, don’t damage it with lust.

 

[AdriannaJean]

Keep in mind that touching your girlfriend’s breast is NOT loving in any way. You say that you want what is best for her, but how is causing lust in her heart (putting her soul at risk), possibly tempting her to masturbate and just plain making waiting until marriage harder for her loving? It isn’t.

You seem to think that if it is done to make her feel good and is done unselfishly then it would be ok. Following that strain of logic, then oral sex would be fine as well. But as you and I both know it isnt, then neither can touching her be ok.

The first duty of a spouse (what you hope you will someday be) is to get your spouse into heaven. You cant do that by encouraging her to sin.