Girls are skipping school to avoid sharing gender neutral toilets with boys after being left to feel unsafe and ashamed. Report

[mdgspencer]

A growing number of both primary and secondary schools are installing bathrooms shared by both boys and girls.

While this article is about schools in the UK, schools in the U.S. also are beginning to make all their bathrooms similar “gender-neutral” bathrooms that are shared by boys and girls

“Parents and teaching staff have told The Mail on Sunday that female pupils feel deeply uncomfortable or even unsafe sharing toilets with male students.”

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Can’t say I’m surprised.

A few school districts over from me in the US, they gave the go ahead for a natal male to share the locker room with the girls.

They dispensed with the showering after gym class requirement because the uproar would have been too great.

But the PTB over at the school board reasoned they could change together because there were a few toilet stalls for the girls who had hang-ups.

The “woke” kids were all like Yay!

My co-workers daughter, who had gym class with the male, had an increase in panic attacks because of it (clinical level, requiring medication anxiety).

Her mom wanted to protest, but the girl was afraid of the bullying that would ensue if her name was connected with a protest…

 

[arvo]

We have not and had not this issue, gender-neutral facilities of such kind was and are unimaginable in our country, but as person with SSA issues I remember how uncomfortable I was among other boys in PhysEd locker rooms. But from today’s perspective I can say that psychotherapy and better living conditions could be the solution to my problems and not the installation of special facilities for SSA. I guess - similar cultural and psychological interventions can help here too.

Possible bullying, indecent behavior is the core issue here. If there are such gender-related issues they are springing out and will inevitably spring out in all the areas of life. The bathrooms are just indicator that the problem exist and that it should be solved. So - the gradual approach is the best: a bit installation and a bit cultural intervention and then - more installation and more intervention. Those are very delicate issues and mostly they can bring out lot of other issues that come from the dysfunctions in the family. And these issues should be solved, not kept in the secret.

 

[SuperLawyer]

Transgender ideology is one of the worst things currently plaguing our society.

It need be opposed at every turn. It is an insult to God and puts our children at risk.

 

[Peeps]

The bathrooms are just indicator that the problem exist and that it should be solved. So - the gradual approach is the best: a bit installation and a bit cultural intervention and then - more installation and more intervention.

No, the answer is separate bathrooms for boys and girls, with stalls that have fail-safe lockable doors (just like at home), and then perhaps a third private (1 stall/toilet) bathroom) for those who
experience “bathroom anxiety” when being in the bathroom with pretty much anyone . ALL of these bathrooms must be cleaned and maintained so that no one gets made fun of for having to use the stall with the toilet that always overflows, or the toilet that always smells “stinky.”

Good heavens, many new homes in the U.S. have a separate “master bathroom”, a separate “children’s or teens’ bathroom”, and a separate “guest bathroom,” and if there is a basement, a separate “workshop bathroom” for whoever is working in the basement. If we are so self-conscious and needful of privacy in our own homes with the people we love, then it makes sense that we are also self-conscious about being in a school or office bathroom with multiple stalls, often with unreliable door latches that spring open at the worst possible time!

Yes, I realize that there are homes where abuse is happening and all of life is stressful–I’m just talking about “normal” homes here, OK.

Yes, I realize that in the armed services, you might not even HAVE bathrooms with toilets and have to use a tree and dig a hole. Well, that’s military life for you–but school is NOT military life and the children/teens are not soldiers, sailors, etc.

Yes, I realize that in the poor countries, there are no indoor bathrooms, but just holes in the floor and kids use them without being afraid–but we’re not IN a poor country.

Yes, I realize that kids should grow stronger spines and not be upset or non-plussed or (horrors!) start crying when fellow kids make fun of them, especially over bathroom use. Too bad, so sad–it’s not going to happen. When you are made fun of, your spine turns into a big soft licorice stick, your brain dries up and forgets all the de-escalating phrases that you were taught in “Stop Bullying Now!” classes, and not only do you cry, but you sometimes go potty in your pants out of fear.

Let’s just build public bathrooms that are appropriate for this day and age where bullies have rights, too, and someone who fights back will probably end up in worse trouble than the bully.

 

[F_Marturana]

I personally think that rest rooms in schools should be similar to ones in hospitals that I’ve visited.

A self contained bathroom with toilet and sink.

But that would take too many renovations to upgrade all the bathrooms.

Is showering in school common? I never had to, my kids haven’t had to either.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Is showering in school common?

Some schools insist on it, some don’t.

Although, in a way, this reminds me of how MeToo started.
Once upon a time, people didn’t tell dirty jokes in mixed company.
Then along came the sexual revolution.
If you wanted to seem hip and in the know and sophisticated, a woman had to laugh along with the dirty jokes and teasing.
If she wanted to seem like a dried up old maid pearl clutching prude, she could object.

A lot of MeToo was dirty jokes gone too far.

Nowadays, if you’re a hip cool woke teenage girl, you get to change in the locker room with natal males.

If you want to be a hateful bigot who wants to drive LGBT teens to suicide, then be a teenage girl who does not want to change in front of a natal male.

 

[F_Marturana]

A lot of MeToo was dirty jokes gone too far.

Im not sure about that.

A lot of Me Too were women who didn’t say anything after abuse for fear of not being believed, or for other fears, or for shame.

My godmother was raped in her teens and didn’t tell anyone until the years before she died at 70.

Many women go around carrying secrets of past abuse.

That’s another topic though.

 

[Gorgias]

Good heavens, many new homes in the U.S. have a separate “master bathroom”, a separate “children’s or teens’ bathroom”, and a separate “guest bathroom,” and if there is a basement, a separate “workshop bathroom” for whoever is working in the basement. If we are so self-conscious and needful of privacy in our own homes with the people we love, then it makes sense that we are also self-conscious about being in a school or office bathroom with multiple stalls, often with unreliable door latches that spring open at the worst possible time!

There’s a difference between using existing facilities as you wish, and mandating the creation of new facilities in an existing school. Quite expensive.

But that would take too many renovations to upgrade all the bathrooms.

 

[ConcernedAmerican]

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[27lw]

There’s another problem with individual bathrooms.
Anytime you have a private space like that, within a larger public space, (especially with a lockable door), what are you going to get?
Vandalism, broken plumbing, illicit activities, etc.
That’s why there are larger non-private bathrooms in the first place.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

There was both.
Some MeToo stories were straight up sexual harassment and assault.

But there were a lot that were dirty jokes, or verbal banter that led to grabbing and groping.
Especially some of the comedians-backstage type testimonies.

But my point still stands—if you shame a female for having sexual boundaries (like by shaming a girl who doesn’t want to change in front of boys), they don’t feel safe to speak up.

 

[ReaderT]

if you shame a female for having sexual boundaries (like by shaming a girl who doesn’t want to change in front of boys), they don’t feel safe to speak up.

Maybe they should protest - like everyone else is doing. If common sense doesn’t work (and apparently it hasn’t), then why not?

 

[c4csp]

It seems that everyone sees this at being completely ridiculous. However, we see other issues that 20-30 years ago, we would cringe and now are even given more consideration in Catholic circles.

These progressive fallacies only continue to encroach on our culture and that ultimately is the plan. A reason many of us here fight these things passionately. But allow me to offer a differing perspective that in maybe ten years, you all will be forced to swallow by the progressive left.

Could it not be that these female children that are skipping school are a product of their environment and are in fact bigots themselves? The fact they want bathrooms only for one gender is segregation at its core. These girls may not feel comfortable, but did anyone stop to think of how the transgender children feel? The systemic bigotry that they face daily has inflicted deep emotional, mental, and even physical wounds. I think it is time you all stop perpetuating the fear of bathrooms being shared by multiple genders. Your opinions have zero credibility and are hateful. We must be be tolerant and diverse and coexist.

 

[27lw]

It’s oppressive and offensive for anyone to even express a preference for gender separation at all. Because there are obviously a lot more than two genders, right?

 

[JimG]

Problems can be expected when boys claim to be girls.
Or when girls claim to be boys.

 

[ZemD]

How did it come to be that biological sex is separate from gender, and that sex is so trivial males and females should mix in even the most intimate situations, like changing clothes, without reservation, BUT race is so definitive no matter your social class, income, or upbringing you can determine immediately if someone is a victim or privileged based on their race?

It seems to me the inmates are running the asylum when I read that schools are forcing boys and girls into intimate situations together.

 

[Finally_Catholic]

are you serious? where are these bathrooms being installed. Sounds like it’s time for parents to go to school with the kids and handle it.

 

[NevermoreLenore]

If one of my daughters faced this, I would be on call and would personally either escort them to the bathroom or take them home to tend to their needs. Please remember, girls at this age are getting used to new body parts (breasts) and monthly bleeding. It’s exciting and humiliating and scary, and not the time to cater to one or two natal males and sacrifice young girls’ privacy to change her tampons, pads, bras, and clothes.

 

[blackforest]

But my point still stands—if you shame a female for having sexual boundaries (like by shaming a girl who doesn’t want to change in front of boys), they don’t feel safe to speak up.

This I agree with.

Shaming women for sexual boundaries is something that I’d hoped went away with the young, free-love boomers, who psychologically gaslighted women refusing sexual advances as “frigid,” “square,” and “prudish.”

What I think we’re going to see today is increasing tension between the feminist and transgender movements. In fact, it’s already going on in South Korea. The South Korean women’s movement: 'We are not flowers, we are a fire'

In the meantime, schools should install more private, family bathrooms for girls wanting the option.