Girls are skipping school to avoid sharing gender neutral toilets with boys after being left to feel unsafe and ashamed. Report

[ZemD]

I am familiar with John Money and his sick “study”.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

It’s going on in the US and UK, too.
Look up the term TERF.
It’s a bad word to describe a woman who doesn’t see trans women as “real women” who have a right to our spaces.
Look up the brouhaha JK Rowling got herself into last June…

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

In the doctor’s defense, the boy’s penis had been injured beyond repair and the cosmetic surgery was the standard of practice at the time for intersex.

In the doctor’s blame, the boy wasn’t intersex, and wasn’t told the truth until he was an adult.

 

[ZemD]

John Money seems indefensible to me. He forced two brothers to simulate sexual acts with one another and photographed the acts. He advocated for “loving” pedophilia and argued men and boys having sex was healthy and good as long as it was “loving” and not sadistic.

Anything that man ever published should be discarded as the disordered writings of a deeply disturbed individual who likely entered the feild he did to have access to children to groom and abuse.

 

[RhodesianSon]

I’m glad I don’t have kids in school anymore. I’d be prone to do something socially unacceptable.

 

[WingedHussar]

Remember, all this degeneracy used to be socially unacceptable at one time as well.

 

[EssentialBeing]

All living things expel toxins from their body, in more ways than just number ones or number twos. As for toilets they are a system of modesty whether male, female or indifferent. I personally do not agree with transgenderism or homosexuality, however I do agree that even the minority deserve the same level of modesty as the majority.

 

[Peeps]

There’s a difference between using existing facilities as you wish, and mandating the creation of new facilities in an existing school. Quite expensive.

When it comes to health, expense doesn’t seem to matter.

The U.S. public schools were willing to change their lunch menus when First Lady Obama created the “Let’s Move!” and was instrumental in passing the “Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act”. These menu changes were far from cheap, and much of the food was thrown away because the kids didn’t like it and wouldn’t eat it. Food waste is not cheap, but the money was spent anyway because it was a health issue. Unfortunately, many schools have abandoned the First Lady’s school lunch program and replaced it with catered meals that are more popular with the kids.

The public schools have spent a lot of money over the years changing the layout of classrooms from desks and chairs in rows to sofas, poufs, tables with 4 chairs, etc. Lots of design changes have been made during the COVID-19 pandemic to make sure that social distancing is possible in the classrooms.

I can give many more examples of money spent in public schools when it comes to the health (physical and mental) of the children/teens. The entire sex ed program is a result of the concerns over children’s health–think how much money schools could save if they didn’t have to pay for sex ed programs/teaching. Physical education is another example–a hundred years ago, the idea of hiring a teacher just to do “physical education”–sports, calesthenics, yoga, stretching, running, etc. with children would have been laughed at and scoffed at as most kids got plenty of physical activity in their daily lives, and most kids did not have to be taught how to play baseball or jump rope!! But now–all schools have a physical education program and most have a specially-trained teacher of physical education!

I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to change the way the bathrooms are in schools to accomodate the changes in our society and in childrearing in general. Like I said, many homes now have multiple bathrooms, while in the past, most people were fortunate to have ONE indoor bathroom, and many farms still had outhouses until the middle of the 20th century (our farm had an indoor toilet, but my parents and grandparents still used the outhouse back in the 1960s and 70s!).

And although I don’t think there are nearly as many sexual orientations as the social scientists tell us, I do think that there have always been children and teens who are uncertain of their sexuality/gender, and I’m sure that using a group bathroom was highly stressful for them. I know that for my husband, he was so self-conscious that he would wait until the ONE potty with a door was available, and if it was not available, he would wait ALL day to pee until he was home! (He was normal sexually, but very self-conscious about his body, possibly because he was an only childr for the first 10 years of his life, and his dad had two jobs and wasn’t around the house much for him.)

 

[Cirdan_XII]

Is showering in school common? I never had to, my kids haven’t had to either.

I went to school in England in the 1970s and 1980s.

I was at a an all boys school initially and it was mandatory to shower after sports. There was a communal walk-through shower tunnel in the changing rooms. There would always be a teacher on shower duty making sure everybody stayed in the shower long enough to get reasonably clean. That sort of supervision would be unthinkable nowadays.

The school was later changed into a mixed school but sports were still separted by genders so you wouldn’t see members of the opposite sex on the paying field or in the changing rooms or showers.

I wonder how such segregation would work in the modern woke age.

 

[27lw]

I had to shower after physical education class in the early 80s in American public school (junior high).
Classes were boys and girls mixed, but in the good old days we had separate locker / shower rooms!

 

[TC3033]

The U.S. public schools were willing to change their lunch menus when First Lady Obama created the “Let’s Move!” and was instrumental in passing the “Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act”. These menu changes were far from cheap, and much of the food was thrown away because the kids didn’t like it and wouldn’t eat it. Food waste is not cheap, but the money was spent anyway because it was a health issue. Unfortunately, many schools have abandoned the First Lady’s school lunch program and replaced it with catered meals that are more popular with the kids.

Where are you at? Our lunch program never changed here, nor in any of the districts I have family working in. Catered? Uh, no.

The public schools have spent a lot of money over the years changing the layout of classrooms from desks and chairs in rows to sofas, poufs, tables with 4 chairs, etc. Lots of design changes have been made during the COVID-19 pandemic to make sure that social distancing is possible in the classrooms.

Again, where are you at? Schools here haven’t done this.

But now–all schools have a physical education program and most have a specially-trained teacher of physical education!

I’m not sure I’m getting your point… I had physical education in school (K-12th grade), that was over 30 years ago. Phys Ed teachers aren’t some new phenomenon.

 

[Cirdan_XII]

I’m not sure I’m getting your point… I had physical education in school (K-12th grade), that was over 30 years ago. Phys Ed teachers aren’t some new phenomenon.

Dunno.

I don’t know about the US but i grew up in England in the 70s and 80s. My sports coaches were all regular teachers who just did physical education on the side. I had a history teacher, a maths teacher and a French teacher to teach me physical education. The swimming instructor was the school secretary. Similarly with musical education. I was taught music by a different geography teacher and an elderly lady who, so it was rumoured, didn’t even have qualifications to teach anything at all but had been in that role as long as anybody could remember. None of these people were especially skilled or motivated as its wasn’t their activity of choice. But it was a small school with limited means and staff and I guess they all had to make do with what they had.

 

[Bluebright]

I don’t blame them, from what I remember of school (not here in UK though) I wouldn’t use the boys bathroom either or want them sharing it with me… ugh. Girls need to be girls, especially as they become young ladies (one hopes).
Some of the restaurants do that here (unisex bathrooms) and not that I go out much, but you won’t get me going back to a place if that’s the case.

God bless them all, we must pray for them.

 

[Hodos]

Do you have a link to this article? Sounds interesting.

 

[TC3033]

I don’t know about the US but i grew up in England in the 70s and 80s.

Upper midwest, started school in the early/mid 80’s.

My sports coaches were all regular teachers who just did physical education on the side.

Ditto, all of my coaches were full-time teachers. And phys ed was taught by a phys ed teacher (they were also the heath teachers from middle school on).

 

[Lea101]

How many trans kids are there?

Catholic morality aside, as someone in charge, wouldn’t it be more convenient to let a small group of students use a handicapped/disables toilet instead? I have a couple of trans peers and they just use that instead. Is there really a need to make the toilets gener neutral overall?

 

[RhodesianSon]

handicapped/disables toilet instead

Putting trans people in the disabled toilet would be logical, fitting, and would therefore be immediately be called discriminatory.

 

[Theo520]

I personally think that rest rooms in schools should be similar to ones in hospitals that I’ve visited.

A self contained bathroom with toilet and sink.

I like the concept but you really can’t give teens such a safe place to do whatever it is they are going to do. There are historical reasons old school stall dividers didn’t extend to the floor or ceiling.

Is showering in school common? I never had to, my kids haven’t had to either.

It was standard when I grew up, but I doubt the gym classes today work the kids to the point of sweating.

Anyone know how if school sports teams are showering at school, and sharing showers?

 

[CathoRick]

This meme aged well.

I’ve been telling people for years that pedophilia is the next thing to become socially acceptable, but most wouldn’t buy it. “Cuties” should leave no doubt in the minds of Americans that their children are now being sexualized within mainstream culture.

I actually skipped through Cuties (repulsive name) just now and have more questions than answers. The scene where an 11-year-old black girl mindlessly twerks half-naked for a minute while having her buttocks splashed by an unknown fluid is particularly disturbing.

This post may not seem relevant to OP’s topic now, but it will be in the years ahead when transgender gym coaches and other “oppressed” groups have relations with your children in these inclusive bathrooms and you can do absolutely nothing about it. Why? Because thanks to woke sex ed and popular media like Cuties (currently #7 most popular among adults on Netflix), your children’s minds will be hypersexualized and conditioned to see pedophiliac relations as normal.

If you’re a practicing Catholic and care about the future of your children and this country, you’ll stand firm against evil when you see it, not embrace it. That includes advocating for predatory boys/men to share the same bathroom as your daughter.

 

[Lea101]

Putting trans people in the disabled toilet would be logical, fitting, and would therefore be immediately be called discriminatory.

I genuinely don’t see how this could be a problem if gender neutral disabled toilets exist in the first place. Now there are some places with a disabled cubicle within the gendered bathrooms which I don’t like, tbh. But generally it’s usually outside no?

This is so silly to me. The ones I know genuinely won’t make a fuss and will use the disabled bathrooms since it’s readily available. Nobody is going to sit there and demand to be with people while they pee. Oh well. I think schools and public spaces should always have a gender neutral disabled bathroom available in every floor.