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It’s a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world…
Girls are skipping school to avoid sharing gender neutral toilets with boys after being left to feel unsafe and ashamed. Report
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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Are you talking about the classic Transexual (gender dysphoria from birth variant?)
Or the variant where a kiddo is comfortable in their skin until something upsets them at or around puberty?
Or the wannabes who want attention and revenge on their parents?
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I’m shocked I tell ya. Shocked! that women don’t want to share toilet facilities with men. When did this begin?
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I should t be laughing, but I’m laughing
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goout
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It just doesn’t matter. That question has no relevance and no point. It’s the assertion that matters.
The brute force of the idea. That’s what counts. You need to honor the assertions and ideological hypotheticals.
What’s real doesn’t matter.
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TC3033
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You’d be surprised.
I haven’t been in a rink this summer/fall that has the showers available. I doubt any teams are showering at school.
We had mandatory showers in PhysEd if we swam that day.
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pnewton
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What article?
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Peeps
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This doesn’t tell you where I am, but it’s one of many articles that I quickly found that prove to you that I’m not just shooting off my piehole. Keep in mind that “catered” does not necessarily mean “high class” or expensive. Catering school lunches can be any local company that is willing to bid for the contract and provide kid-acceptable lunches at a more reasonable cost than First Lady Obama’s lunch program.
Where are you at? For the last six months, our local news has featured regular stories about the changes in classroom design, and even before COVID, our schools were getting rid of the rows of desks and chairs in favor of more seating and standing options to meet the needs of all the children in the classes. Of course, our schools have wretched standardized testing scores, so maybe it isn’t such a good idea after all. However, those wretched scores have been the norm in our public schools since the 1990s.
I’m not talking about 30 years ago. Yes, I know there were P.E. teachers even further back in the olden days, when I was a kid in the 1960s. I’m talking about many years ago, when my grandparents and even my parents were in school. My dad and his fellow farm pals did not need organized P.E. in their schools to stay in shape, play outdoor sports, and have fun with each other!
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Fair enough, and I’m not doubting SOME schools may have changed but far from all. Link is an editorial, is there a link to their sources.
Yes…I know that. When I was in the Army our lunches were “catered” because our unit didn’t have a cook.
West/South West 'burbs, Minneapolis…for the most part. When we upgraded our home last year I found a house I wanted in Minnetonka, she wanted to be a little further out in the country on acreage. We compromised and bought the house she wanted.
Not here. At least not on the news. I mean 20-30 years ago I didn’t always sit in rows either… Some classes were tables of 4, some were rows, etc…
Neither did I. Neither do my kids right now…that’s not exactly what PE is either.
Times are changing and individuals are becoming more and more sedentary as jobs are becoming easier and easier to do sitting on your butt all day. PhysEd is an important part of a well rounded education. My boys still “work on the farm” too, but they are a small…small minority.
My parents went to school in the 40’s and 50’s and had PhysEd…
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Peeps
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I don’t have a link, but I can testify that it happened in my brother-in-law’s kids’ schools in one of the Chicago suburbs. The school trashed the First Lady’s lunch program and hired an outside company (in their suburb) to provide the lunches.
I think what bothers me about her lunch program are the small portions. Teenaged kids especially need to eat a lot–not a lot of junk, but a lot. When I was a teenager, if I didn’t eat 2 school lunches, I would lose weight too fast–one week when I was too busy to eat, I lost ten pounds in 5 days, and my clothing was falling off me. The teens who are active in sports especially need to pay attention to their eating–both of my girls were (and still are, in their 30s!) figure skaters who could burn 1000 calories in one 45 minute freestyle on the ice. They ate a LOT, and didn’t gain weight.
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Peeps
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Oh, I definitely agree that P.E. is necessary today–we are becoming a nation of out-of-shape obese people!
I do think that P.E. should be done differently and tailored to the individual “bent” of each child. E.g., with the exception of volleyball (I played high school basketball all four years), I hated any sport that involved a ball and a game–I love WATCHING these sports, but I have no talent along these lines, and I always made a fool out of myself in front of the kids who did these sports as extracurriculars. I also hated tennis–I still do. And I hated gymnastics, and always felt that school P.E. teachers had no business trying to teach mature teenagers how to do flip flops–and time proved me right, as the sport was banned in school P.E. programs after several children/teens were horribly injured (mainly on trampolines).
And more than anything, I HATED soccer, and still hate it! And every stinkin’ autumn, we all had to learn all about soccer and kick that stupid ball around! They didn’t even tell us that the sport is the most popular sport in the world and that EVERYONE except Americans (in the U.S.) played this sport fanatically! Isn’t that part of P.E.–giving us the background and history of any given sport or activity and letting us know how we could do more of it if we were interested (which none of us were–I’m sure some kids liked it, but most of us complained constantly about soccer!). We had no way of knowing that the sport is so incredibly popular and that we SHOULD at least learn about it to be good world citizens!–newspapers and television didn’t cover soccer back then, since no one played it in the U.S. except various immigrant groups that were not very numerous back then in the 1960s! And yet, we had to learn how to play it–it’s no wonder I still hate the sport today!
However, I LOVED any kind of dance, choreographed movement, and anything to music. The other thing I wanted to do was become stronger, and even though we didn’t have workouts with weights (resistance training) when I was a teen (my girls had it), we did have various calisthenics. I usually passed all of the President’s Fitness Test skillls–EXCEPT the arm hang-I had NO arm strength, and several times, I actually LOST IT in the presence of the P.E. teachers and told them, “Instead of letting me fail this test time after time, why don’t you teach me and work with me to help me develop the strength to DO this arm hang!?!” They just shrugged me off–why?!
Anyway, I’ve read that many P.E. programs around the country ARE changing to a more “elective” style of P.E. I think that by high school, and possibly middle school, kids should be allowed to select the P.E. activities that appeal to them rather than having to do “units” of sports that they hate.
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One thing that I think it especially important in the U.S. is that all kids, especially female, need to learn the basics of the big team sports, especially American football. I think this should be taught in P.E., or at least be an elective (which I think many girls would select!).
Without a basic knowledge of these sports, people miss out on conversations in the workplace and have a harder time fitting in with the “boys’ network” and doing necessary networking–although nowadays, no one talks anymore during breaks or lunch–they just finger their phones. Oh, well.
Interestingly, in my daughters’ private prep school, American football WAS taught to ALL students, including girls. My younger daughter today is as adept in watching and discussing football as any guy–she actually met her husband during a football movie and one of the reasons he was interested in her is that she really truly understood and LOVED football! She still does–it’s fun to watch her at a football watching party because she’s right in there with the guys yelling out the plays that she thinks the coach should do!
I think it’s interesting that in our city, 75% of the current CEOs graduated from that prep school. You see, they know how to produce good businesspeople.
Without a basic knowledge of these sports, people miss out on conversations in the workplace and have a harder time fitting in with the “boys’ network” and doing necessary networking–although nowadays, no one talks anymore during breaks or lunch–they just finger their phones. Oh, well.
Interestingly, in my daughters’ private prep school, American football WAS taught to ALL students, including girls. My younger daughter today is as adept in watching and discussing football as any guy–she actually met her husband during a football movie and one of the reasons he was interested in her is that she really truly understood and LOVED football! She still does–it’s fun to watch her at a football watching party because she’s right in there with the guys yelling out the plays that she thinks the coach should do!
I think it’s interesting that in our city, 75% of the current CEOs graduated from that prep school. You see, they know how to produce good businesspeople.
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Jus to continue this for a minute, we had elective P.E. activities in my last year of high school.
That coincided with the new state law requiring all classes (including P.E.) to be open to both boys and girls. Previously we had “boys’ P.E.” and “girls’ P.E.” So, to accommodate that, so we wouldn’t have girls playing football with boys bigger and stronger than they are, you’d pick one of four activities. Typically one of the activities was square dancing, and a lot of the girls tended to pick that.
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Sarcelle
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Football is a good sport to learn and play. I used to like playing flag football. Very fun.
However I don’t follow NFL football. Too commercialized.
However I don’t follow NFL football. Too commercialized.
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Eh- the majority of it (MTF) is induced by specialized porn and certain types of anime. It is a fetish for most of them these days with no dysphoria involved. They love their male body parts. I do think the FTM type is more the upset at puberty and sudden onset ‘all my friends are doing it so I should too’ kind of thing.
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We had a similar thing when I was kid. When playing rugby on a concrete surface - rather than on grass - we had only to touch the ball-carrying opponent, rather than tackle. A bit whimpish for us South Walians…far better suited to Northern softies!
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We had a similar thing when I was kid. When playing rugby on a concrete surface - rather than on grass - we had only to touch the ball-carrying opponent, rather than tackle. A bit whimpish for us South Walians…far better suited to Northern sorties!
That earned an eye roll and a dismissive shrug from my North Welsh friend.
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Well…she is from Llandudno
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