Girls over 10 or 12 years are eligible for marriage

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MrDickerson said:
Mary’s age at the time of the immaculate conception was…nothing. The “Immaculate Conception” refers to the conception of Mary herself in the womb of St. Anne; immaculate because she alone was conceived without the stain of original sin.

You’re confusing it with the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ (common misconception, just felt the need to correct it when I saw it) 🙂
**I think most of us assume Mary was probably between 12 to 15 when she was betrothed to St. Joseph. ** I’m certain that the ancient Jews didn’t marry off their girls before they had reached the age of puberty like the modern Muslims do today. By the way, MuslimWoman, your point is irrelevant because St. Joseph and the Blessed VIRGIN Mary never had a sexual relationship. Joseph is called “most chaste spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary”…Joseph is a much better role model than Mohammad, who couldn’t keep his grubby fingers off of a NINE year old.
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That’s right - the word is betrothed - a promise to be married. They were not married but only betrothed. Conventional wisdom among Christians is that she would be about 14 years or older at that time. The usage of the word ‘almah’ in Hebrew which combines the meanings of (1) young girl of marriageable age and (2) virgin, means that she could not be younger than 14 as she would not be of marrriageable age then. Marriageable age means to start a family, be a wife and a mother. It’s not only about being able to have sex.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Care to let me know what’s the minimum age of girls for marriage according to Jewish holy book ? Ever started any thread expressing surprise/ shock about that ? How old was mother of God when she was married to her earthy husband ? How old was he ?
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oh the typical muslim defence for their prophet… hmmm.
the difference is Mary was and still is a VIRGIN, hence the title, Virgin Mary. And the choice of Mary to be pregnant was Gods, are you going to argue with God on his decision? Unlikely…
Where it was muhammeds decision to lay with a 9 year old, as in have sex, not Gods. There is a major difference.
 
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dolphinlove said:
… And the choice of Mary to be pregnant was Gods, are you going to argue with God on his decision? .
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Of Course not . Muslims don’t challenge God but submitted to His decisions . That’s why we object against the nasty language Christians use about a legal marriage . If you think marriage of Mother Mary (p) , her gave birth to your Lord were ordained by God , then why Muslims can’t believe that Prophet’s marriage with Mother Aisha (p) was also ordained by the same source ?
 
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survive said:
The minimum age of marriage for a girl or boy was 12, 12.5, or 13 .
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This is not an Islamic site .

A JEW SPEAKS OUT!

In the Volume SANHEDRIN, 55b - "A maiden three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coitus (sexual intercourse) and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.

scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0072.htm
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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This is not an Islamic site .

A JEW SPEAKS OUT!

In the Volume SANHEDRIN, 55b - "A maiden three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coitus (sexual intercourse) and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.

scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0072.htm
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Oh dear, somebody who gets her excerpts and understanding of the Talmud from the Neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, ‘Scriptures For America’. Pastor Pete Peters might have been proud to have a Muslim follower but I expect she falls, racially, into the ‘mud person’ category. She really ought to learn that just because somebody hates Jews, it doesn’t necessarily make them a good person from her perspective.

Try the explanation here.
 
Kaninchen said:
Oh dear, somebody who gets her excerpts and understanding of the Talmud from the Neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, ‘Scriptures For America’. Pastor Pete Peters might have been proud to have a Muslim follower but I expect she falls, racially, into the ‘mud person’ category. She really ought to learn that just because somebody hates Jews, it doesn’t necessarily make them a good person from her perspective.

Try the explanation here.
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Is that a phrase ‘Pete Peters’ used?
 
Ruthie said:
Sister Amy said,

The case mentioned by jakasaki, where a divorce was not granted to an 8 year old girl, married by her father to a 58 year old man, was in a Saudi court. Is Unayzah not in Saudi Arabia? If this is contrary to Shari’ah, why did not the judge grant the divorce, and reprimand the girl’s father?

Thanks,

Ruthie
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Sorry but I don’t really know the specifics of the case.
 
Even a 15 - 16 year old is more able to make a decision about that than a 10-year-old. At ten years, most girls have not even begun puberty. They are CHILDREN.
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FYI the age of consent in Vatican City is 12…
 
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IrishJoe said:
FYI the age of consent in Vatican City is 12…
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Can u explain more ? Christians outside Vatican city can come here & get married before 12 ?
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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That’s the problem with the men made laws. They allow girls to have unlimited partners that is forbidden by God Almighty . But same law won’t allow any parents to arrange marriage of their daughter who has reached at her puberty . Early marriage is lawful by all major holy books. Why always condemn Islam ?

Jewish holy book allows 3 years old girl to get married , Hindus holy book says it’s best to give her in to marriage before she is 7 .

Quran does not specific any minimum age. There is a verse that says to return property of the orphans when they reach at puberty : And test the orphans until they attain puberty; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property
( chapter women , verse 6). It can applicable for marriage , too.

Prophet waited long 3 years for Aisha (p) to take her home. Clearly it indicates that he waited till she reaches puberty. Also , she never objected against marriage . She before 6 was engaged to another man who refused to accept Islam; so marraige did not take place.

No one should force anyone in to marriage or stop anyone from getting married .
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Since when is 9 years old hitting puberty??!! :eek:

All you guys do is say ‘allah, or mohammed, said it is ok’ to justify pedipholia, men having multiple sexual partners, the beating of women, and any other perversion of moral codes.

In fact, mohammed said that quite - ‘allah, or mohammed, said it is ok’ - often to kill, enslave, steal, lie, take other’s wives, torture and assasinate others, etc. that is why he had to rewrite the definition of sin since he was so immoral and broke so many laws that any moral code would be based on.
 
The muslims on this thread are behaving as if islam is the strict moral religion while it allows temporary marriages just so they can have sex. All they do is use the term marriage to behave as if they are morally superior. And when you have this sort of a thing, along with pediphilia, there is no morality.

their heaven is also an immoral orgy of sex and glutony. They are promised not only the 72 virgins, but as many little boys as they want!

And they tell us that the children who have made mistakes in our society are immoral? It is how we treat people which shows the morals of a society and stoning little children for poor behavior is not a moral thing to do. Forcing children to have sex **IS ** also immoral just because some old geezer wants a child to have sex with and they label it a ‘marriage’!
 
There is nothing more disgusting than to see a woman defend the sexual abuse of children.

Aunt Jemina’s the lot of them.
 
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chrisse said:
There is nothing more disgusting .
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forced marriage is not allowed in Islam .

No comments about Jewish holy book’s allowing 3 years old girl’s marriage ? 🤷
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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forced marriage is not allowed in Islam .

No comments about Jewish holy book’s allowing 3 years old girl’s marriage ? 🤷
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Typical Aunt Gemina response. It all depends on what you call forced. As the female “human being” in Islam is under the control of someone all her life, she, in reality, has no choice. Give it up, we’re not talking ancient history here (like your flaccid and inaccurate attempt) it’s happening today - google is Islam’s enemy.

The Reliance of the Traveller doesn’t back you up. The woman doesn’t even take part in a muslim marriage - her guardian accepts. Love the bit that the witnesses must be male as a marriage witnessed by one man and two women would not be valid (Hanafi excepted)
 
It has been proven that the average age of female puberty, ie the first menstrual cycle is around 13. This is impacted negatively by poor diet (which we can safely assume was an issue in mohammet’s time) therefore it would be later.

Unlike one of the muslims’ claims that the heat brings on menstruation earlier, there is no evidence of climate effecting the average age at all - diet is the most significant contributing factor.

Of course, this is the first menstrual cycle and does not indicate the development of the body or the mind for a successful pregnancy and child care.
 
jakasaki said:
*Injustice? How? :confused: By taking away the child’s life? :mad:
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Muhammed at 54 married Aisha at 6, and Muslims don’t see that as injustice or bad, indeed they are following his steps (aka the Sunnah of Muhammed), so there is no way of stopping that now or in the future.
 
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chrisse said:
Typical Aunt Gemina response.
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who is Aunt Gemina ?
… she, in reality, has no choice.
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then bash Muslims , why put blame on Islam ? 🤷

O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary **live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. **If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good. ( Chapter Women/ An-Nisa 4:19)
we’re not talking ancient history here
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If your holy book approves it , then it’s forever .
The woman doesn’t even take part in a muslim marriage - her guardian accepts.
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huh …before asking the man , Imam/ Kazi ( a religious person who conducts the marriage ) asks permission from the bride . If she says yes , then he goes to bridegroom.
 
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