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kage_ar
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Humble maid - prayers that you can find a doctor to cure your illness instead of giving you hormonal birth control to simply mask the symptoms.
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thistle
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Anyone holding such a belief is committing heresy and is in a state of mortal sin and cannot receive Communion.
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tweetymom
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Good for you for being my judge, I leave that up to God, maybe you are in a state of mortal sin for judgeing me
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humble_maid
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Actually I prayed a long time and I believe it was the Lord Himself that led me to this decision. I tried surgery and other means but they failed; so I continued to pray and found that this helped me very much. I do believe in miracles and I do believe that God helps us indirectly through other means. By the way the medical field does not know what causes the illness but that it is treated and not masked by the hormones.
I adhere to the teachings of the CC however there are always exceptions to the rule. As a matter of fact the only other options I had was to continue suffering and have my health deteriorate or have a hysterectomy, which in my opinion was not a viable solution at my age.
Believe me when I state that this decision was not made on selfish perogatives nor was it made because I lack faith in Jesus. If a person is given medication to treat his hypertension will you tell him to pray instead of taking the medication?
Right now I know that there a millions of women who suffer as I do and this particular contraceptive is usually given to women of a mature age or who have had children; so it is not your usual mode of contraceptive. Nonetheless, I have made my decision based on my faith and the medical advice that was given to me; and I continue to pray.
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thistle
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I did not say you. I said “anyone” holding such beliefs. Only you know if it applies to you.Good for you for being my judge, I leave that up to God, maybe you are in a state of mortal sin for judgeing me
Do you actually realise that rejecting one of more of the Church’s teachings is heresy. In case you think I’m making it up here is the official Church teaching on that:
CCC 2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."
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Reuben_J
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If you’re prescribed contraceptive pills for therapeutic purpose, then it is alright. But does its usage prevent pregnancy to occur? You have to get the assurance from your physician that it’s not but only to regularize your hormones production so that you will have normal menstrual cycle and normal menstruation. But if at the same time it also prevents pregnancy to occur, what is your conscience then towards sex at this period? Were you celibate during the treatment (assuming that you’re married and pre-menopause)?
Determining what treatment each individual woman does need is the difficult part. Dr. John Bancroft and Dr. Diana Ebling, both physicians at the IU Health Center, Indiana University Bloomington, recognize three factors as potentially relevant to each woman’s particular problem. These three factors—
- the impact of the ovarian hormonal cycle,
- menstruation,
- and vulnerability (other elements in a woman’s life such as stress, relationship problems, or a tendency to get depressed)-
Recommended treatment can include medication or various self-help techniques, or both. Bancroft and Ebling may recommend oral contraceptives, medications to regulate abnormal bleeding, or antidepressants, or they may advise a women to discontinue use of oral contraceptives. They also provide patients with information on self-help techniques including stress-reduction activities and modification of diet and exercise.
Birth control is an emotional subject especially for women who were at their wit end and need to use it as last resort. It seems to be unfair telling them not to use it while at the same time unable to provide alternative treatment to them.
But the Church’s ruling is very clear - oral contraception is not allowed and it is a sin. That is the choice that women and their husbands have to make. No amount of justification will change what a sin is. So it is always prudent to discuss this with a priest before embarking on birth control pills. A poster earlier on mentioned that a priest did actually recommend birth control for mentally ill patients. Well, at least he tried to get advice, rightly or wrongly.
God bless you.
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George_Marchand
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Birth control for medical reasons IS allowed by the Church.
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Seatuck
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No, George. Medications to treat disease although they have a contraceptive effect are allowed by the church. But no, artificial birth control is not allowed by the church. There is a difference.
Also, if one chooses to use such a medication and that woman happens to be married she is not restricted from participating in the marital act despite the possibility that such medications might cause an abortion. This is because the intent is to treat the symptoms and not to cause an abortion. The principal of double effect.
It should be noted that the above is the prevalent position but there are many moral theologians who say that the woman should abstain from the marital act until that treatment is unnecessary. Hence all the advice to find a better treatment in addition to the detrimental side effects to the woman and society from such hormonal preparations. Who would want to risk their unborn children to the possibility of abortion?
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kage_ar
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You might really find a read of the Catechism to be an eye opener.Good for you for being my judge, I leave that up to God, maybe you are in a state of mortal sin for judgeing me
We are to judge actions in order to correct our brother or sister and help them to heaven. No one judged your soul, that is for God alone. What you state is heresy, as defined by an earlier poster.
scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1861.htm
**1861 **Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.
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tweetymom
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Well maybe for judging anyone. You did put your reply after my post.
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Karen1960
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I don’t know what “Church” you are talking about, but it’s not the Catholic Church the last time I looked
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tweetymom
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So according to whomever if you have a medical problem that birth control can fix you are not suppose to use them. Do you just die or continue to have a serious problem? Sounds a little lame to me.I don’t know what “Church” you are talking about, but it’s not the Catholic Church the last time I looked
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Karen1960
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First try other methods, if there is no other choice whatsoever and you could die, then one must not be sexually active (married or not) in order to continue treatment.
And BTW, if you are in that much pain and in danger of death, sex is probably the last thng on your mind.
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Karen1960
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BTW “whomever” is the Catholic Church Teachings
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tweetymom
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Well I have never read that in the Bible except about Oran. And I !00% disagree with it. If Christ wanted it He would have said so. Now you are free to believe whatever you feel is right for you I think it is great. I had a hystorectomy at the age of 24 because it was a necessary thing. I am now 71 and have and still do enjoy my bedroom time with my husband, so am I sinning tocause I can’t concieve and enjoy sex?BTW “whomever” is the Catholic Church Teachings
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Karen1960
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You had a hystroectomy and that is different from the use of BCP’s. A woman who has to have a medical hystroectomy is not expected to abstain forever.
YOU SAID and I RESPOND to THIS
if you have a medical problem that birth control can fix you are not suppose to use them. Do you just die or continue to have a serious problem? Sounds a little lame to me.*
*I assumed you were refering to pills because of your wording such as “use them” . Now life saving medical procedures are a totally different. *
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kage_ar
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This sounds very much like Protestant thinking. The Teachings of the Church are more than sola scriptura.
Christ gave us the Church - dig out that Catechism - give it a read, maybe skip the Baptist Bible study for a few weeks and use that time to learn what the Catholic Church teaches.
As long as your sexual activity is in conformity with the moral teachings of Holy Mother Church, there is no sin in having life saving surgery.
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tweetymom
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It isn’t Protestant thinking at all, I do use both Bibles thank you very much. Have read the Catechism and still feel as I do. I know what the Church teaches !00%. Just said I didn’t agree with it all so now you have something else to blast me about. Don’t want you to have noone to judge or critize.
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Karen1960
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Ouch! This is Church Teaching, like it or not. As a Catholic we do not get to pick and choose what we want to agree with.
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kage_ar
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We are way off topic - maybe you could open a new thread and explain what you mean by “both Bibles”?
The Church teaches that artificial birth control is always evil. You can question this teaching and seek to gain understanding. If you do not agree, you are in grave danger of committing heresy. Please, speak to to your Confessor about this.
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