Global or Local?

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DavidFilmer said:
Darryl, Darryl , Darryl .

OK. God created the universe in “seven days.” Of course, God could have done it in an instant. God led Israel to the Promised Land after 40 years in the wilderness. Of course, God could have just transported them.

If the flood was local, God could have simply told Noah to get out of town (like he told Lot).

But God told Noah to build a big boat. Does that imply that Noah and his family could NOT have survived had they simply left town and headed for higher ground?

Is it possible that the Jewish people were undergoing a protracted period of formation (which would culminate in Jesus), and the whole flood-and-ark-thing was meant to be an archetype of Baptism?
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I don’t believe God created the universe in a literal seven days. I think it took a much longer period of time. Is that ok according to our faith?
 
Faith1960 said:
Do you agree that the CC has no position on whether there were 8 survivors or more and that we are free to believe either way?
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I prefer to focus on the meaning of the text rather than debate irrelevant trivia.

-Tim-
 
Genesis 9

11 And I shall maintain my covenant with you: that never again shall ***all living things ***be destroyed by the waters of a flood, nor shall there ever again be a flood to devastate the earth.’

12 ‘And this’, God said, 'is the sign of the covenant which I now make between myself and you and every living creature with you for all ages to come:

13 I now set my bow in the clouds and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.

14 When I gather the clouds over the earth and the bow appears in the clouds,

15 I shall recall the covenant between myself and you and every living creature, in a word all living things, and never again will the waters become a flood to ***destroy all ***living things.
 
Darryl_B said:
I believe the flood was global, Noah could either spend 120 years in hard yards building an ark, or he could spend 20 years relocating himself and family to the non-local constraints. Local flood, move away. Global flood only one option.
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Thank you. Best reply yet. I get tired of Christians “getting cute” with the Word of God. Either it is real or NONE of it is real. Pax Christi!
 
total_Catholic said:
Thank you. Best reply yet. I get tired of Christians “getting cute” with the Word of God. Either it is real or NONE of it is real. Pax Christi!
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Where did all the water come from?

Where did it go?

Where did Koalas come from?
 
Faith1960 said:
So, what is the meaning of the text?
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You quoted and replied to post number 15. Did you not read anything I wrote?

It is a new creation, a third genesis, God beginning to set things right, to reconcile mankind to himself, a covenant with all mankind that can never be broken by God and the promise of a savior.

I explained all that with chapter and verse in post 15 which you quoted. :confused:

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
You quoted and replied to post number 15. Did you not read anything I wrote?

It is a new creation, a third genesis, God beginning to set things right, to reconcile mankind to himself, a covenant with all mankind that can never be broken by God and the promise of a savior.

I explained all that with chapter and verse in post 15 which you quoted. :confused:

-Tim-
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I was wanting to know what the text, to you, tells you about whether the flood was local or global. :confused:
 
TimothyH said:
You quoted and replied to post number 15. Did you not read anything I wrote?

It is a new creation, a third genesis, God beginning to set things right, to reconcile mankind to himself, a covenant with all mankind that can never be broken by God and the promise of a savior.

I explained all that with chapter and verse in post 15 which you quoted. :confused:

-Tim-
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I was wanting to know what the text, to you, tells you about whether the flood was local or global. :confused: I know, to you, the question is “irrelevant” but it’s relevant to my OP.
 
Faith1960 said:
I was wanting to know what the text, to you, tells you about whether the flood was local or global. :confused: I know, to you, the question is “irrelevant” but it’s relevant to my OP.
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Whether the flood is local or global is not irrelevant in just my view. What I am trying to tell you is that It is irrelevant to what God is trying to teach us through the text.

Genesis is not a history book and whether the flood was local or global really has nothing to do with God’s message.

-Tim-
 
Faith1960 said:
So what it’s saying is that at that time there was no science to refute Scripture, so they’ll go with what Scripture says – but 100+ years later science does refute what Scripture says about it?

Can anyone find anything for this era that says we don’t have to believe the flood left only eight people, since, you know, it didn’t?

I’ve been looking and looking and can’t find anything Catholic that tell us one way or another.
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Nelka said:
Genesis 9

11 And I shall maintain my covenant with you: that never again shall ***all living things ***be destroyed by the waters of a flood
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καὶ στήσω τὴν διαθήκην μου πρὸς ὑμᾶς καὶ οὐκ ἀποθανεῖται πᾶσα σὰρξ ἔτι ἀπὸ τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ κατακλυσμοῦ

οὐκ ἀποθανεῖται πᾶσα σὰρξ ἔτι ἀπὸ τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ κατακλυσμοῦ: “yet never will all flesh die from the waters of [a] cataclysm.” (‘All flesh’ didn’t die in the flood; so, God’s only asserting He won’t do something that He’d not yet done. 😉 )
nor shall there ever again be a flood to devastate the earth.’
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You asserted “[t]hat is why the word world is used”. It’s not ‘world’, it’s ‘earth’ – as in ‘land.’

Your quote doesn’t prove “global flood.” 🤷

(Although, it’s only fair to admit – if it were a super-regional flood, it would have appeared to the writer of this narrative that it was the ‘whole world’.)
 
Nelka said:
Genesis 9

11 And I shall maintain my covenant with you: that never again shall ***all living things ***be destroyed by the waters of a flood, nor shall there ever again be a flood to devastate the earth.’

12 ‘And this’, God said, 'is the sign of the covenant which I now make between myself and you and every living creature with you for all ages to come:

13 I now set my bow in the clouds and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.

14 When I gather the clouds over the earth and the bow appears in the clouds,

15 I shall recall the covenant between myself and you and every living creature, in a word all living things, and never again will the waters become a flood to ***destroy all ***living things.
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I may be wrong, but I dont think that means the literal, whole earth. Maybe someone else can explain it better. :o
 
I think that prior to the Flood, there was a layer of the atmosphere
that was made up of water molecules, as Gen. 1 states in v.7
“So God separated the waters that were under the dome from
the waters that were above the dome” Also it would explain why
people on earth lived so long before the flood, because the “dome”
of waters in the atmosphere filtered out the ultraviolet rays of the sun!
The rain of forty days and forty nights was NOT from the clouds, but
from the dome of water above the sky!!!
 
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