Global Warming

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vz71 said:
And we knew all about global cooling in the 1970’s.
time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm (Newsweek, on global cooling)

Seems to me at some point people should be skeptical about the latest thing that will kill us all.
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Yeah about that…you might wanna read these…

realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/the-global-cooling-myth/

realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/the-global-cooling-mole/

But that idea that most scientists thought we were about to go into an iceage is false.
 
I agree that there is global warming, although i disagree that it is human-caused global warming.

Before you are sucked in the “propaganda” of human made climate change, watch this great documentary, “The Great Global Warming Swindle.”
 
i almost became a member of greenpeace today, i was accosted by this girl who was so cute and charming i found myself about to sign up for a $25 a month contribution until i snapped out of it and realized i don’t particularly care for whales, llamas, polar bears, greenpeace, or being manipulated by a pretty face… luckily my cynical obnoxious side kicked in in the nick of time and i got the heck out of there…
 
ChristIsLord said:
i almost became a member of greenpeace today, i was accosted by this girl who was so cute and charming i found myself about to sign up for a $25 a month contribution until i snapped out of it and realized i don’t particularly care for whales, llamas, polar bears, greenpeace, or being manipulated by a pretty face… luckily my cynical obnoxious side kicked in in the nick of time and i got the heck ou of there…
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I can’t imagine you having an obnoxious side.
 
polar bears will not become extinct (their numbers are increasing)
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I asked my sister (masters in ecology) about this and she said, “they might be increasing in heaven”. Though she’s one of those scientists that are being derided here by ad hominem attacks (ironically by the same people who call “logical fallacy” at every turn), she’s not getting any government funding at the moment.

A lot of people in this thread seem to think that all scientists are corrupt and twist their findings in their lust for money. Scientists are normal people, most who get into the field due to a genuine desire to help, and would you believe it, many are NOT driven only by their next round of funding (there is less funding granted to global warming studies than has been implied), and some are even Catholic.
 
mouse_has_faith said:
I asked my sister (masters in ecology) about this and she said, “they might be increasing in heaven”. Though she’s one of those scientists that are being derided here by ad hominem attacks (ironically by the same people who call “logical fallacy” at every turn), she’s not getting any government funding at the moment.

A lot of people in this thread seem to think that all scientists are corrupt and twist their findings in their lust for money. Scientists are normal people, most who get into the field due to a genuine desire to help, and would you believe it, many are NOT driven only by their next round of funding (there is less funding granted to global warming studies than has been implied), and some are even Catholic.
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Exactly and here is a good piece I thought about climate budget. initforthegold.blogspot.com/2007/04/science-budget-talking-point.html
 
Neolithic said:
Sir, naivete is being revealed. You propose leaving the future of this nation - indeed, the world - in the hands of a private sector, in which members are the cause of the following:
  • 1924 Nixon Nitrate Disaster, caused by plant conditions.
  • 1969 Santa Barbara Oil Spill
  • Oil spills in both San Francisco and New Orleans in '07 and '08
  • Exon Valdex oil spill and the Greenpoint oil spill
  • Brio Superfund Site, in which toxic waste ravaged a small community.
  • Donora Smog of 1948
  • Hanford
  • Kingston Fossil Plant
  • Lake Peigneur
  • Libby, Montana
  • Love Canal (again, toxic waste)
  • Murphy Oil Spill
  • New Carissa
  • New River, New Mexico (toxic waste in the river)
  • Phillips Disaster and subsequent explosions in '99 and '00
  • Prudoe Bay Oil Spill
  • Santa Susana Field Laboratory
  • Summitville Mine
  • Times Beach, Missouri
  • View-Master factory
  • Midland Dow-Chemical leaking toxins into the Saginaw River
  • PG & E lies and toxic waste, after which a movie named Erin Brockovich was created.
So, yes, the private sector certainly has an impressive track record at taking care of our environment! 👍

And that, friend, is simply what I remember. Imagine what I’d find if I looked around.

The “economic mess” was simply an example of how de-regulation causes problems. When discussing how best to deal with Climate Change, nobody is proposing massive regulations like you speak of in communist nations. But necessary, environmental regulations that, in fact, will spur growth and create jobs.

Which I suspect is as bad as conservatives looking at the world with blinders on, embracing an idealogy rather than reason.

Indeed. The vast leftwing conspiracy to destroy the American way of life. 👍
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Compare the numbers killed or harmed in those accidents to the number of people killed at the hands of authoritarian government (Stalin - 20+million dead). capitalism does have a safeguard built into it to protect the environment - lawsuits. This is why the environment is cleaner in capitalist nations compared to say the old Eastern Bloc.
 
mouse_has_faith said:
I asked my sister (masters in ecology) about this and she said, “they {polar bears} might be increasing in heaven”.
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Here are some other views on the polar bear population from people who would be expected to know:

A 2002 U.S. Geological Survey of wildlife in the Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain concluded that the ice bear populations “may now be near historic highs.” One of the leading experts on the polar bear, Mitchell Taylor, the manager of wildlife resources for the Nunavut territory in Canada, has found that the Canadian polar bear population has actually increased by 25% — to 15,000 from 12,000 over the past decade.

totalrecoil.wordpress.com/2007/02/14/enough-with-the-polar-bears/

The alarm about polar bears is being raised not because they have been affected by global warming but because there are projections about them being affected in the future. Like those projections of the sea level rising 20 feet it is pure fantasy.

Ender
 
Ender said:
Here are some other views on the polar bear population from people who would be expected to know:

A 2002 U.S. Geological Survey of wildlife in the Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain concluded that the ice bear populations “may now be near historic highs.” One of the leading experts on the polar bear, Mitchell Taylor, the manager of wildlife resources for the Nunavut territory in Canada, has found that the Canadian polar bear population has actually increased by 25% — to 15,000 from 12,000 over the past decade.

totalrecoil.wordpress.com/2007/02/14/enough-with-the-polar-bears/

The alarm about polar bears is being raised not because they have been affected by global warming but because there are projections about them being affected in the future. Like those projections of the sea level rising 20 feet it is pure fantasy.

Ender
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So you donlt think Polar Bears could possibly be affected by their climate changing? And what about this sea level rising 20 ft?

Oh here is a good article on polar bears I found that I thought was relevant to this polar bear discussion. arctic.noaa.gov/essay_schliebe.html
 
vz71 said:
I am curious as to what convinces you that there is any global warming at all. So what convinced you?
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You know, the usual stuff, temperature change, climate change rising sea levels…etc

look at the research.

Again, from watching, “The Great Global Warming Swindle” I agree that there is climate change/ Global Warming, although i do not belive it is caused by humans and that co2 garbage.

In fact the sun is the main cause.
 
New evidence on Antarctic warming

BBC World News

The continent of Antarctica is warming up in step with the rest of the world, according to a new analysis.

Scientists say data from satellites and weather stations indicate a warming of about 0.6C over the last 50 years.

Writing in the journal Nature, they say the trend is “difficult to explain” without the effect of rising greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere.

Meanwhile, scientists in Antarctica say a major ice shelf is about to break away from the continent.

The Wilkins Ice Shelf is said to be “hanging by a thread” from the Antarctic Peninsula, the strip of land pointing from the white continent towards the southern tip of South America.
 
*A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there’s a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
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The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.
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Camelot! Camelot!
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I know it sounds a bit bizarre,
But in Camelot, Camelot
That’s how conditions are.
The rain may never fall till after sundown.
By eight, the morning fog must disappear.
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In short, there’s simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.*
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Now that that’s out of the way, would one of the Global Warmin’ ™ people please tell me the Perfect Temperature for the Planet?

Every generation seems to have a psychological need to experience extreme panic over the impending end of the world, whether because of Global Warmin’ ™, nuclear winter (popular a few years ago) or the disaster* du jour*. Historical climatology shows huge shifts in climate conditions over the past few thousand years not obviously caused by humans. Paleoclimatology shows even greater swings in climate (I mean, we’re talking about the seal level falling hundreds of feet). Anyone living in the intermountain west knows that the lake-marsh-playa cycle has played out dozens of times since the end of the last Ice Age (Lake Bonneville, anyone?).

Until the current mania over Global Warmin’ ™ disconnects itself from the political agenda of the liberals, I can’t take any of it seriously.
 
Here are some other views on the polar bear population from people who would be expected to know…
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Not only does your link lead to some nameless guy’s blog, who is obviously heavily biased (“enough with the polar bears!” hardly sets itself up for presenting both sides fairly), but the link to the article leads to a 404 error page hosted on the same server as this blog.
All that aside, **actually read **the article:

“it is just silly to predict the demise of polar bears in 25 years based on media-assisted hysteria.”

And again:

“Her outfit was one of those who had sued the feds in the first place over the polar bears, notwithstanding its location in the frozen tundra of Arizona. But no matter. For want of a few hundred polar bears, the entire U.S. economy could be vulnerable to judicial dictation.”

… yeah, that presentation is what you see in scientific articles all the time. Nothing screams scientific repute moreso than this echelon of loaded terms, obvious agenda and bias.

P.S. Funny how all scientists were being stereotyped as left-wing crazies promoting the existence of global warming for the sake of funding, yet now we’re using them as sources, as “people who would be expected to know”, to prove our point…
 
Calliso said:
So you donlt think Polar Bears could possibly be affected by their climate changing? And what about this sea level rising 20 ft? …
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Polar bears float, right? They can swim, too.

Did you know that sea levels during the Cretaceous were about 500 feet higher than they are today? Was that caused by human-induced Global Warmin’ ™?
 
aldgh said:
Again, from watching, “The Great Global Warming Swindle” I agree that there is climate change/ Global Warming, although i do not belive it is caused by humans and that co2 garbage.

In fact the sun is the main cause.
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Well, I will not dispute climate change. The climate on earth has been changing ever since it came into being.

However ‘Global Warming’ appears to be questionable.
 
Calliso said:
So you donlt think Polar Bears could possibly be affected by their climate changing? And what about this sea level rising 20 ft?
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No one said polar bears could not be affected.
The question is how and to what extent.

It is just plain silly to predict the ultimate demise of a species that is thriving based upon unproven speculation into theoretical possibilities.

And as for sea levels…shouldn’t they have risen already? I don’t see it.
 
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