Global Warming

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vz71 said:
Agreed. There are still people that believe the moon landing was a hoax.

And nearly as many pointing to unreliable data.
And all of them biased one way or the other.

It would seem a much better solution to simply live by your belief instead of pushing it upon others.
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My belief system includes the belief that I can drive safely at 70 to 75 mph on my local highway. But other’s believe differently and I am forced to keep it at around 60mph. Nevertheless, I don’t think it would be best if I was allowed to drive 75 and others could drive at whatever speed they feel comfortable.

That there may exist conflicting data on an issue does not necessarily mean that we should not address the issue as a community. In the case of climate change, the majority of the world and it’s governments have determined that it is a problem that needs to be addressed on a community/governmental/world basis. In other words, based on all the data present, the world is convinced that measures need to be taken to help lessen the problem.
 
Valke2 said:
Who said anything about humanity being evil? Failing to address the problem isn’t any more evil than failing to do anything else God has charged us with. It isn’t any more evil than not feeding the hungry or doing anything else that you might view as proper.

You can’t have humanity without problems. Problems are not evil. That doesn’t mean they can’t kill us.
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Yet since man is not the primary cause how can we reverse something that is just naturally occurring. And man is not the primary cause. I see the global warming issue being used as a political tool to control our lives. We have been reducing emissions in thsi country for the last thirty years. Yet according to the “experts” the temperature is still rising. How do we account for the fact that we are in one of the longest, coldest winters on record? I can agree that the globe may be warming but it is it’s natural course and we are unable to prevent it. Whereas the other things like hunger we can do something about.
 
goofyjim said:
Yet since man is not the primary cause how can we reverse something that is just naturally occurring. And man is not the primary cause.
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We don’t need to reverse the primary cause. We just need to lessen our contribution to the cause.
 
On a side note…

I am sure that someone here is going to point out that weather is not the same as climate. And my effort here to head that off in advance will probably be pointless.

But I simply had to post this, it is too funny to ignore.
foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/02/shiver-global-warming-protest-frozen-massive-snowfall/
Global Warming Protest Frozen Out by Massive Snowfall
Global warming activists stormed Washington Monday for what was billed as the nation’s largest act of civil disobedience to fight climate change – only to see the nation’s capital virtually shut down by a major winter storm.
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Valke2 said:
My belief system includes the belief that I can drive safely at 70 to 75 mph on my local highway…Nevertheless, I don’t think it would be best if I was allowed to drive 75 and others could drive at whatever speed they feel comfortable.
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OK, so don’t drive 75.
I am not certain I see the issue.

But before you start arguing based upon the various public safety laws as well as sin tax laws, you may want to ask yourself if the other party in the debate is an anarchist.

While I can’t say I carry it that far, I do believe a number of laws in this country to be way too intrusive upon personal liberty.
 
vz71 said:
Global Warming Protest Frozen Out by Massive Snowfall
Global warming activists stormed Washington Monday for what was billed as the nation’s largest act of civil disobedience to fight climate change – only to see the nation’s capital virtually shut down by a major winter storm
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:rotfl::rotfl:
 
Valke2 said:
That’s great. And no one is seriously fighting to ban logging. Trees are a resource that will continued to be used.
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The statement above is not accurate.

The link below is just one example of how groups attempt to disrupt logging as a business. The whole purpose being to bring logging to a halt. The people show no concern for the life of the logger or the mill worker.

forests.org/archive/canada/calogpro.htm
However, about 60% of the world’s logging is illegal (and ocurring in countries outside the US).
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On what basis is this claim made?

God bless
 
80% of logging operations are illegal in Bolivia and 42% in Colombia, World Bank (2004) Forest Law Enforcement

80% in Peru. The Peruvian Environmental Law Society (2003) Case Study on the Development and Implementation of Guidelines for the Control of Illegal Logging with a view to Sustainable Forest Management in Peru.

Satellite images reveal that the deforestation in the Amazon basin is twice as fast as scientists previously estimated. guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/oct/21/brazil.conservationandendangeredspecies
 
vz71 said:
As I said.
I need you to be specific.

‘bad’ doesn’t mean anything.

You wish to label the impact of man as a bad thing.
I want you to specify what it is that is bad.

And while you are at it, you need to remember, ‘man’ in the context you are speaking is implied at a species level.

What is it that we all are doing that is so ‘bad’?
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Just so you are aware. I do not think that global warming is a thing caused by human. I do not even think that we contrabute to it much.

The impact that we have around us, is huge. The main impact that we have on the planet is we destroy animal habitats. Humans more so than any other animals do not adapt to the local enviroment that they inhabit. Instead they adapt the enviroment to something more suitable for us. Because of our ability to do this we are able to sustain communities in almost any part of the world. The down side for the planet is the areas that we take to adapt as our own tends to be the homes of other speices of animals. Which are not as adapt as our selves at adjusting to different enviroments. Because of this many different speicies die out.

We also reliease poisins into our enviroment. We poison water supplies. We realised toxins into the air. Obviously these contrabute to damaging the eco systems that exist around us.

We build dams for power. Cutting off water supplies to huge tracts of land and making them almost inhabitable for the animals that lived their before.

These are some of the things that contrabute to the overall (name removed by moderator)act that we have on the planet. Humans do not live in a balance with the other animals around us any more. We are not dependent on prey animals flourashin where we live. In fact we are not dependent on anything flourashing where we live. And becuase of this we tend to be more destructive than we would have gotten away with in the past.
 
Valke2 said:
80% of logging operations are illegal in Bolivia and 42% in Colombia, World Bank (2004) Forest Law Enforcement

80% in Peru. The Peruvian Environmental Law Society (2003) Case Study on the Development and Implementation of Guidelines for the Control of Illegal Logging with a view to Sustainable Forest Management in Peru.

Satellite images reveal that the deforestation in the Amazon basin is twice as fast as scientists previously estimated. guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/oct/21/brazil.conservationandendangeredspecies
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80% of logging operations in Bolivia, 42% in Columbia, and 80% in Peru being illegal operations translates into 60% of the worlds logging industry being illegal?
 
Valke2 said:
Global Warming results in increased preceptitation which shows up as snow in winter and rain in summer/spring.
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Around here, cold north wind blowing over a warm lake causes increased lake-effect precipitation. Global warming should therefore result in decreased snow.
 
vz71 said:
On a side note…

I am sure that someone here is going to point out that weather is not the same as climate. And my effort here to head that off in advance will probably be pointless.

But I simply had to post this, it is too funny to ignore.
foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/02/shiver-global-warming-protest-frozen-massive-snowfall/
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Let’s look at how weather is differentiated from climate -

“The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere “behaves” over relatively long periods of time.”

nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

This is a very poor foundation to study climate variations from a very reputable organisation but it is typical for a specific reason.

The fundamental basis of global climate involves the central Sun and the motions of the Earth insofar as over the course of a year the oscillation of temperature bands provide the background conditions of weather patterns that we call the seasons -

climateprediction.net/images/sci_images/annual.gif

Hemispherical weather patterns which we call the seasons are a subset of this global climate picture with local weather dictated by such things as proximity to the Oceans, geographical features ,currents and many other things.

Scientists have just been too hasty to ascribe a cause to climate variations via carbon dioxide,this is not a rejection of its influence,only that there is no accurate climate framework to handle such a conclusion. Right now they simply ignore the astronomical (name removed by moderator)ut into why those temperature bands drift North and South towards the daily rotational poles and that is bad news for those who wish to clearly discriminate between weather and climate.

This is important enough not to engage in some sort of grandstanding and besides,it is not all that obvious why things warm up one side of the planet while a location on the same latitude on the opposite side of the Equator is cooling down.
 
mapleoak said:
Forests don’t deforestate themselves except through wildfire. As to whether it is good or bad for the planet, surely it doesn’t affect the planet in the least. Whether it is good for mankind depends. Agriculture is certainly beneficial, wouldn’t you agree?
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Do not get me wrong. We need the logging industry. But this does not mean that the effects that it has on the enviroment is neutral. Most western countrys all do a lot to reduce the impact that logging has on the enviroment. This in its self must show you that it has a very real effect on the local eco systems.
 
The good news is that the growing research of non UN scientists show that carbon is just a drop in the bucket for global warming. In addition in a recent poll only 4% bellieve in Al Gore that global warming is caused by humans. I find much of my information from a website Daily Tech.
 
Squishy said:
Do not get me wrong. We need the logging industry. But this does not mean that the effects that it has on the enviroment is neutral. Most western countrys all do a lot to reduce the impact that logging has on the enviroment. This in its self must show you that it has a very real effect on the local eco systems.
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I think the logging industry has an interest in sustainable forestry practices because that is the only way for it to be profitable.
 
Global Warming is just Satan’s little way of scaring people to think that God isn’t in command.

Mostly the people who deny Christ are the ones that propel global warming, all of this worldly knowledge and information is just a trick from that ol’ devil:
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written: I will catch the wise in their own craftiness.
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I like to enjoy reading God’s Word opposed to worrying about what David Suzuki thinks. I believe carbon dioxide is bad - but the evidence for global warming is slim. Winters are indeed colder - yet global warmists tell us the carbon dioxide traps the heat in like a one-way filter? huh? then that would make winters warmer logically…
Note: it is impossible for carbon dioxide to ALLOW heat to come in, yet block it from going out and then blocking it out only in winters… it doesn’t make much sense.

The earth goes through cycles - in the medieval days it was indeed warmer (vikings couldn’t survive in this atrocious weather!) God is always in command and will ensure everything runs smoothly, if God can preserve his words for thousands of years - he can deal with a small pollution problem that isn’t affecting the earth’s temperature.
 
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