GLORIA: American Catholic Bishops Deal Leftism A Holy Smackdown

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upant said:
explain how having a different way of fixing health care, immigration, poverty, etc. is sin.
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It happens the same way of dealing with unwanted pregnancies can be a sin, or not a sin. If the morals and values that underlay policy is not based on human dignity, the value of life and Catholic social justice, the result is not going to be a moral option. If policy does take these into account, the moral options are as plentiful as our creativity.

Take, for example the issue of healthcare. One can say that those who do not buck up and find a way to pay for healthcare should not get it. But health is a life issue. Whether one lives or dies, based on their actions is also the morality behind allowing euthanasia.
 
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pnewton said:
“And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Matthew 5:22.
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I didn’t call him a fool. I said I think he was being played for a fool if he thinks that one can knowingly give communion to pro-abortion politicians and still be in agreement with the Church on the sanctity of life.

God Bless

Thank you for reading.
 
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upant:
explain how having a different way of fixing health care, immigration, poverty, etc. is sin.
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It happens the same way of dealing with unwanted pregnancies can be a sin, or not a sin. If the morals and values that underlay policy is not based on human dignity, the value of life and Catholic social justice, the result is not going to be a moral option. If policy does take these into account, the moral options are as plentiful as our creativity.

Take, for example the issue of healthcare. One can say that those who do not buck up and find a way to pay for healthcare should not get it. But health is a life issue. Whether one lives or dies, based on their actions is also the morality behind allowing euthanasia.
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be specific what policies promoted are a sin on par with abortion?

some truly need care and food but others don’t. is requiring work for those who can a sin?
2 Thessalonians 3:8 (NET)
3:8 and we did not eat anyone’s food without paying. Instead, in toil and drudgery we worked night and day in order not to burden any of you.

2 Thessalonians 3:10 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
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take healthcare. what person promotes this buck up policy? is it moral to force someone to purchase a product they don’t need or want? healthcare is not charity. many of the issues people have are due to choices they made. ls smoking a form of euthanasia? why should someone else have to pay for years of their bad behavior?
 
pnewton said:
You do not understand enough to judge anyone, much less a bishop. Delivering communion means one is pro-grace. None of us know about what has gone on between a priest or bishop, and a communicant.
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when you have 2 bishops doing the opposite thing, are they both correct. how can one refuse communion to somebody if the other can’t?
 
twf said:
No one may be wrong, but it isn’t our call.
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you can’t believe both. someone has to make a call and the bishops aren’t making it

so what do you do when they disagree

sola catechism???
 
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upant said:
be specific what policies promoted are a sin on par with abortion?
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I did not say that they were. I said, “In the same way…” Means does not equate to gravity.
 
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pnewton said:
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upant:
be specific what policies promoted are a sin on par with abortion?
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I did not say that they were. I said, “In the same way…” Means does not equate to gravity.
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the left likes to say the policies of the right are wrong, immoral, whatever but never defines what exactly is wrong with the idea in terms of morality.
 
upant said:
when you have 2 bishops doing the opposite thing, are they both correct.
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“Correct” may not enter into it. But if it does, it does then, yes, they both may be correct. Why? Because doing the opposite “thing” is not possible. Bishop A cannot give and not give to a communicate B communion at the 10:30 Mass last Sunday. That is what the word “opposite” would mean. The time changes, as does the communicate.
ls smoking a form of euthanasia?
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Great question. They do have some commonality, which is probably why the Church is against drug abuse.
 
pnewton said:
That is what the word “opposite” would mean.
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no it means bishop a can’t say you can not receive with your pro-abortion stand and bishop b says yes you can receive with your pro-abortion stand

one says no and one says yes
1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV)

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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twf said:
No one may be wrong, but it isn’t our call.
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That isn’t true, I know what the Church teaches (and has always) on this grave crime against innocent human life and it is our call to point out such open heresy and hypocrisy.

God Bless

Thank you for reading.
 
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twf said:
No one disagrees that abortion is a grave crime.
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Then they would deny communion to those who are openly pro-choice such as politicians.

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”

God Bless

Thank you for reading
 
josh987654321 said:
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pnewton:
Violating canon law is not heresy.
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What is it then?
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“Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.”

Violating canon law is simply violating canon law.
 
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