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shades of gray:
St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke said Tuesday he would withhold the sacraments of the Roman Catholic church, including Holy Communion, from board members of St. Stanislaus Kostka Catholic Church.

The announcement came in the form of a one-sentence press release Tuesday morning, stating that Burke’s “extraordinary patience in dealing with the board of St. Stanislaus Kostka has officially evaporated.”

I can not believe this is coming from the Archdiocese. How on Earth could this statement help the situation???!!!

The perfect description of Burke: Autocrat and Technocrat!!! No one could ever accuse Burke of being a shepherd!
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What’s his alternative? It seems that there was a long-standing tradition of this parish being run by a board. The Archbishop attempted for a long time to get them to alter their structure and they wouldn’t do it. What else should he do?
 
I used to live in the Diocese of LaCrosse when then Bishop Burke was there. I had the chance to meet him and talk to him. A more gentle man you could not find. He is the rare Bishop who has the this organ known as a SPINE and isn’t afraid to enforce the rules when they’re supposed to be enforced.

He is very well versed in canon law, so I wouldn’t second guess him on that. His actions when dealing with pro-abortion Catholic politicians was the same. He would contact them and talk in private, give them time to explain themselves, explain the ramifications of their actions and what he was prepared to do. When they would not relent on their untenable positions, he would enact the penalty that he said he would enact. He is NOT a loose cannon.

FYI, on an unrelated note, he does suffer from narcolepsy and has to be driven everywhere that he goes.
 
Seems when ever a bishop exercises his authority that he is said to not be acting in a pastoral manner.
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It seem from reading the material posted, including that on St. Stanislaus’ own web site, that pastoral solutions have been tried repeatedly by Archbishop Burke and his predecessor. These “pastoral” approaches have been met with rebuke. Rome has been appealed to and spoken in favor of this parish returning to the diocese’s model.

What more could be done “pastorally” that doesn’t involve letting these misguided board members persist in their sinful behavior and continue to lead parishioners astray (not to mention that they were seemingly borderline abusive to their most recent pastor)?

This isn’t a case of a recent event and an autocratic repsonse. It is an Archbishop who, after trying just about everything else, is excersising authority. Isn’t that what we need them to do?
 
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INRI:
FYI, on an unrelated note, he does suffer from narcolepsy and has to be driven everywhere that he goes.
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Interesting. Is there not a Rx med used to treat these cases?
 
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Interesting. Is there not a Rx med used to treat these cases?
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There is, but I don’t think you would want someone to rely on it when they are driving. Kind of like people who are epileptics. At the meeting I attended, he nodded off a few times during what was actually a fairly interesting speech.
 
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Actually, not quite. The parish was founded this way more than two turns of the century ago, under the canon law of the time. The priest is an employee of the diocese, the parish Board of Trustees manges the temporal property that has been entrusted to them.

The parishioners are actually rather tempermentally conservative Polish-Americans. While canon law no long permits this sort of corporate arrangement, canon law does allow contrary forms of property ownership based on a practice of “time immemorial”.

The test for Burke is can he do this in a pastoral manner? The jury is still out.
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Are you questioning the judgement of a Bishop after all the countless lectures we have received to the contrary?
 
He is a hero in service of our Lord! it takes enormous courage to take such principled stands in this culture.
 
I am not saying that Burke doesn’t have a right to do what he is doing. But what does it help to issue such a curt response through the media? All it does is feed the negativity that has been going back and forth. Is it more important that he show his authority and feed the negative PR? Why wouldn’t he want to do this quietly away from the media spot light? I know that St. Stanislaus may be the one who started getting the media involved. But Burke is helping them get their point across.

Earlier, he has said an interdict is used to show Catholics their errors in the hope that they will repent. IMHO-there is no way that the press release yesterday will get the parishoners to repent. All it does is back them into a corner and makes them dig their heels in harder. And the standoff continues!!!

Maybe Burke wants to turn his back and wash his hands of the St. Stan Parish once and for all. One could perceive this is the reason for the press release yesterday?!?!?
 
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Brad:
Are you questioning the judgement of a Bishop after all the countless lectures we have received to the contrary?
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: But you see my dear freind,if the Bishops are not liberals or progressive they don’t count:whistle:
 
It is not a question of liberal versus conservative. It is a question of execution.
 
shades of gray:
It is not a question of liberal versus conservative. It is a question of execution.
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I was being sarcastic;) God Bless
 
shades of gray:
It is not a question of liberal versus conservative. It is a question of execution.
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It’s a long story. You’ll understand in due time.
 
Sorry if someone else said this, but I saw in a news show last weekend that the problem here is that the church itself was deeded to these trustees, I think a long time ago. Or is that how it always works with trustees? Anyway the way the network news put it, it’s the trustees’ ownership of the physical plant that is complicating things.

But I’m glad the Abp is standing up to them. They got the church building, he’s got everything else…
 
shades,

He might also be trying to send a message to all of his parishes that he intends to make sure they all are truly Catholic. Face reality, hundreds of parishes have strayed from the faith, and it will take no-nonsense people to get those parishes back into the fold. It is much better for a Bishop to be strict, then to let them continue in their sin. It is not loving to let people commit sin without calling them on it, nor is it loving to let lay leaders of a parish drag innocent Catholics down with them.

Archbishop Burke is likely sending a message to all his faithful.
 
I hope we can get someone like Arch-bishop Burke in Chicago some day. Man, he would have a field day with the cafateria Catholics in northern Illinois.
 
Lance,

It would be a bloody battle in Chicago…metaphorically of course. 🙂
 
But why should Archbishop Burke control everything at St. Stanislaus? As has been mentioned, the church has been a parishioner-run entity since it was founded in the 19th century. There’s nothing heretical or anti-Catholic about it. It exists and even thrives without support of the archdiocese. I lived in St. Louis for a while. That church is a treasured part of the heritage of the Polish-American community there, and I can entirely understand why the parishioners would want to keep the affairs of their church under their control. It has been very competently managed by its members; why would they want to risk potentially less competent management by the archdiocese? What do they have to gain? They have a lot to lose.
 
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sbcoral:
But why should Archbishop Burke control everything at St. Stanislaus? As has been mentioned, the church has been a parishioner-run entity since it was founded in the 19th century. There’s nothing heretical or anti-Catholic about it. It exists and even thrives without support of the archdiocese. I lived in St. Louis for a while. That church is a treasured part of the heritage of the Polish-American community there, and I can entirely understand why the parishioners would want to keep the affairs of their church under their control. It has been very competently managed by its members; why would they want to risk potentially less competent management by the archdiocese? What do they have to gain? They have a lot to lose.
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Because they are Catholics and not Protestants,we as Catholics are obediant to valid authority of the Church.God Bless
 
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sbcoral:
But why should Archbishop Burke control everything at St. Stanislaus? As has been mentioned, the church has been a parishioner-run entity since it was founded in the 19th century. There’s nothing heretical or anti-Catholic about it. It exists and even thrives without support of the archdiocese. I lived in St. Louis for a while. That church is a treasured part of the heritage of the Polish-American community there, and I can entirely understand why the parishioners would want to keep the affairs of their church under their control. It has been very competently managed by its members; why would they want to risk potentially less competent management by the archdiocese? What do they have to gain? They have a lot to lose.
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Regardless of the competence of the management and the historical facts, the archbishop has deemed it necessary for that parish to be under his control. That’s the way the Catholic Church works. Unless he is requesting something contrary to faith or morals or something open to prudential judgement, they are bound to obey him. My parish has a lay parish council that was established by the pastor. It exists to provide him with feedback in the operation of the parish and is totally at his service. If he decides one day to dissolve it, that’s his perogative. I don’t see how this situation is any different.

The parishioners are free to open up a Polish cultural center or social club or some other entity to celebrate their heritage.
 
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