Go to Hell - Stay there forever

[Vico]

… unless God refuses to do something in those very moments before the soul is separated from the body …

Of course, the turning away is only from the side of man. And do have to guard ourselves against the sin of presumption. Since we have free will, even doing “something” at the hour of death, God would not force us against our will.

Catechism

1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him. …

2092 There are two kinds of presumption . Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes upon God’s almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit).

 

[Magnanimity]

Man can do morally good acts without grace, even in the fallen state.

Of course.

Salvation depends, however upon grace.

Of course.

By grace God makes is possible to remain free from serious sin, under the influence of concupiscence.

Of course.

So Vico, I have admitted everything you write above, and my position still stands. You are the one who wants to believe that the free-will defense is the ultimate justification for how it could be that an all-loving Creator could banish some of His creatures to a neverending state of torment and suffering. You believe this, not me.

So, it is your responsibility to provide ample justification for that belief. The belief itself stretches credulity. If not for St Augustine and his followers the belief in infernalism would likely have been a minority belief in the whole history of the church (i.e., few people who held the belief). It was a minority belief in the early church. It has been a minority belief in the East. It is a minority belief for preeminent 20th century Catholic theologians.

Beliefs that stretch credulity and beliefs that are not held by many of the greatest minds in the Church require substantial justification. But you do not provide substantial justification.

You seem to want to simply quote from authorities, and that’s ok. But your quotes need to be “on point.” I mean, they need to be directly relevant to the issues I’ve raised. Sometimes they are not at all relevant (like above—all you did was raise points that I already agree with).

So far, you have not answered the following problems that I’ve raised for your “infernalist” beliefs.

1. God is love. He is infinite goodness itself. Humans bear his image and likeness and are therefore made for beatitude—it is our final cause. Since God loves all and sent his son for all, all should be saved. If they are not, why not? And do not bother quoting free-will arguments. St Thomas Aquinas himself knew that that was not a good enough answer to the problem, so he taught that God does reprobate some - “God wills some good to all men but he does not will the particular good of eternal life to all.” -ST
   Is that what you believe Vico? That God reprobates some because he does not love all men enough to save them all?
2. since human wills are oriented toward the good, how would a person unendingly self-exclude from the good? Toward what does a human will orient itself in a place (Hell) lacking in the Good?
3. Being a part of a fallen world that negatively affects our minds, hearts and wills makes us less culpable than if we were not living in a fallen world, correct? If not, why not?
4. When you love God, you do not love him infinitely simply because he is an infinite being. Your act of love remains finite bc you are finite. Conversely, when you offend God you do not offend him infinitely simply because he is an infinite being. Do you agree? If not, why not?

 

[oliver109]

I keep saying that God does not force anyone to do anything, what I am saying is that God can get people to do anything, if God wanted America to build a tunnel under the Atlantic to Europe he could arrange for that to happen, if God wanted a steak restaurant to be built on the moon he could arrange for that to happen, if God wanted a gathering of people from every country in the world to take place at Arsenal stadium he could arrange for that to happen.

 

[Vico]

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1. … Since God loves all and sent his son for all, all should be saved. If they are not, why not? …
   A. No all should not be saved. God loves all saved or not. Salvation is not something normal, but an elevation. It requires something of the person. Also see: Parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16).
2. Since human wills are oriented toward the good, how would a person unendingly self-exclude from the good?
   A. They are not oriented toward the moral good in a fallen condition. Adam and Eve and descendants need to be elevated by a state of grace.
3. Being a part of a fallen world that negatively affects our minds, hearts and wills makes us less culpable than if we were not living in a fallen world, correct? If not, why not?
   A. Without grace it would be so (less cuplable), that is, at least for personal actual sin, except we also have original sin which is not personal. Culpability is based upon free will and grace sometimes makes it possible for a free will choice where it would not be so.
4. … when you offend God you do not offend him infinitely simply because he is an infinite being. Do you agree? If not, why not?
   A. The culpable offense is an unjust act through the free will which is an orientation which can be final. Final means forever, it is nothing to do with divine infinite being.

Hebrews 5

9 “and when he was made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him”

 

[Magnanimity]

No all should not be saved.

Got it. All should not be saved…

They are not oriented toward the moral good in a fallen condition. Adam and Eve and descendants need to be elevated by a state of grace.

I did not ask about moral goods. I asked about (any) good. I mean in the Aristotelian sense “Every art and every inquiry, and similarly every action and pursuit, is thought to aim at some good; and for this reason the good has rightly been declared to be that at which all things aim.” If the Good is absent from Hell, then toward what does a human will orient itself indefinitely? It is obvious to me that without a good to orient the human will, it is incoherent to claim that a human could endure in such a place. Additionally, God’s grace extends to everyone…

grace sometimes makes it possible for a free will choice where it would not be so.

Agreed, but since God loves all, I don’t know what person your above comment would not apply to.

The culpable offense is an unjust act through the free will which is an orientation which can be final. Final means forever, it is nothing to do with divine infinite being.

This response runs into the same problem I’ve given many times over above: If the Good is absent from Hell, then toward what does a human will orient itself indefinitely? For a human will to forever orient itself to a non-good is an incoherent concept.
Also, since you did not disagree with my disproportionality argument, I will take it that the argument stands–>an unending punishment for a finite offense (or series of offenses) is, necessarily, a gross injustice.

 

[Latin]

And it is certainly true that the Trinity does guide all his creatures.

a. All whom God wishes to save through Christ, He is able to infallibly saved.

b. God unable to save all whom He wishes to save through Christ.

Which statement do you believe Vico, a. or b.?

Please don’t misunderstand me, I don’t asking a quote, I asking what you believe Vico.

Thank you for your answer in advance.
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God bless

 

[Vico]

Vico:

And it is certainly true that the Trinity does guide all his creatures.

a. All whom God wishes to save through Christ, He is able to infallibly saved.

b. God unable to save all whom He wishes to save through Christ.

Which statement do you believe Vico, a. or b.?

Please don’t misunderstand me, I don’t asking a quote, I asking what you believe Vico.

Thank you for your answer in advance.
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God bless

b. God unable to save all whom He wishes to save through Christ.

That is also the teaching of the Catholic Church, for wish means desire. Note that “We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him.” (Catechism 1033)

For “a” the phrase “infallibly saved” means “absolutely certain of your future salvation” so it seems that you did not mean that. Perhaps you mean: He is able to save against their will because the grace given is not resistible.

Council of Trent, Chap. 16

Can. 16. If anyone shall say that he will for certain with an absolute and infallible certainty have that great gift of perseverance up to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a special revelation: let him be anathema.

 

[sudy]

Romans 8:9 Whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

 

[Vico]

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Regarding “Agreed, but since God loves all, I don’t know what person your above comment would not apply to.” (Re: “grace sometimes makes it possible for a free will choice where it would not be so.”)
A. God loves all so gives grace but allows the rejection of the help of grace. When in the state of grace the person can remain in it by cooperation with grace.

Regarding “If the Good is absent from Hell”:
A. So capitalized Good means Aristotelian sense of any good moral or not, per your designation. So you assert that such is absent in Hell? That is not something that I said and I would not agree with that. Those that finally decided upon the good of doing their own will regardless of the moral good ended in hell. That persists forever.

Regarding: “an unending punishment for a finite offense (or series of offenses) is, necessarily, a gross injustice.”
A.To be clear, I disagree. I posted on the topic however you did not understand it seems. To receive the gift of heaven (Beatific Vision) requires a final free will confirmation of charity. Man has no right to heaven. Note that I posed the reference for the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard for this topic. (Matt 20 15 [Or] am I not free to do as I wish with my own money? Are you envious because I am generous?’ 16 Thus, the last will be first, and the first will be last.”)

 

[Magnanimity]

Office of Readings, Second Reading From an ancient homily for Holy Saturday, The Lord’s descent into the underworld

Something strange is happening – there is a great silence on earth today, a great silence and stillness. The whole earth keeps silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. God has died in the flesh and hell trembles with fear.

He has gone to search for our first parent, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow the captives Adam and Eve, he who is both God and the son of Eve. The Lord approached them bearing the cross, the weapon that had won him the victory. At the sight of him Adam, the first man he had created, struck his breast in terror and cried out to everyone: “My Lord be with you all.” Christ answered him: “And with your spirit.” He took him by the hand and raised him up, saying: “Awake, O sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will give you light.”

I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. Out of love for you and for your descendants I now by my own authority command all who are held in bondage to come forth, all who are in darkness to be enlightened, all who are sleeping to arise. I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be held a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead. Rise up, work of my hands, you who were created in my image. Rise, let us leave this place, for you are in me and I am in you; together we form only one person and we cannot be separated. For your sake I, your God, became your son; I, the Lord, took the form of a slave; I, whose home is above the heavens, descended to the earth and beneath the earth. For your sake, for the sake of man, I became like a man without help, free among the dead. For the sake of you, who left a garden, I was betrayed to the Jews in a garden, and I was crucified in a garden.

See on my face the spittle I received in order to restore to you the life I once breathed into you. See there the marks of the blows I received… On my back see the marks of the scourging I endured to remove the burden of sin that weighs upon your back. See my hands, nailed firmly to a tree, for you who once wickedly stretched out your hand to a tree.

I slept on the cross and a sword pierced my side for you who slept in paradise and brought forth Eve from your side. My side has healed the pain in yours. My sleep will rouse you from your sleep in hell. The sword that pierced me has sheathed the sword that was turned against you.

Rise, let us leave this place. The enemy led you out of the earthly paradise. I will not restore you to that paradise, but I will enthrone you in heaven. I forbade you the tree that was only a symbol of life, but see, I who am life itself am now one with you… The bridal chamber is adorned, the banquet is ready, the eternal dwelling places are prepared, the treasure houses of all good things lie open. The kingdom of heaven has been prepared for you from all eternity.

 

[Latin]

God unable to save all whom He wishes to save through Christ.

In your post Vico could not prove your above statement.

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IN THE MYSTERY OF PREDESTINATION John Salza explains;

“God guides all his creatures with wisdom and love to their ultimate end.

Because God’s providence governs all things, God is in control of all things and can do all things.”
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As God’s providence governs all things, God is in control of all things and can do all things even to save everyone, which is in fact His will.

301 With creation, God does not abandon his creatures to themselves. He not only gives them being and existence, but also, and at every moment, upholds and sustains them in being, enables them to act and brings them to their final end.

Perhaps you mean: He is able to save against their will because the grace given is not resistible.

NOT AT ALL. What I mean is this:

Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott,

For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary. ( De fide. )

There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will. (De fide.) – This is the correct understanding of our free will.
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308 The truth that God is at work in all the actions of his creatures is inseparable from faith in God the Creator.
God is the first cause who operates in and through secondary causes: For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

As we see above and as it is follows, this is the correct understanding of our free will:
2022; “The divine initiative in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man. …”
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St. Thomas teaches that God effects everything, the willing and the achievement. S. Th.II/II 4, 4 ad 3:

St. Thomas also teaches that all movements of will and choice must be traced to the divine will: and not to any other cause, because Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing. CG, 3.91. – This is the correct understanding of our free will, Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing and we FREELY will and we FREELY choose.
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains.
Life everlasting promised to us, but unaided we can do nothing to gain it (Rom.7:18-24).

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CCCS 1990-1991; … In this gift, faith, hope, charity, and OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WILL are given to us.
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CCCS 1996-1998; This call to eternal life is supernatural, coming TOTALLY from God’s decision and surpassing ALL power of human intellect and will.”

John 15:16; You did not chose Me, but I chose you.

Acts 13:48; … as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. - NO ONE self-excluded.
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This is the way described above, God CAUSES us to FREELY and LOVINGLY say YES to His gift of salvation and we all FREELY and LOVINGLY say YES to His gift of salvation.
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God bless

 

[sudy]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Vico]

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No, the Church says that you cannot be certain of your salvation (without special revelation), so you cannot truthfully say that no one self-excludes (i.e., does not have final perseverance).

Council of Trent, Chap. 16

Can. 16. If anyone shall say that he will for certain with an absolute and infallible certainty have that great gift of perseverance up to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a special revelation: let him be anathema.

 

[Latin]

So you cannot truthfully say that no one self-excludes.

Let’s put into context what I said.

This is what I said:
Acts 13:48; … as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. - NO ONE self-excluded.

We know, according to Catholic Soteriology; everyone who are appointed to eternal life (Acts 13:48), they are all predestined to heaven from all eternity, at their baptism/ initial justification, they all received/s God special efficacious grace of His Gift of Final Perseverance, which is an INFALLIBLE protection of their salvation.

The receivers of God special efficacious grace of His Gift of Final Perseverance, can be known by God’s special revelation.

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THE MYSTERY OF PREDESTINATION by John Salza

Page 4. “God grants the efficacious grace of perseverance only to His elect.”

John’s above statement is in perfect harmony with Catholic Soteriology.

Furthermore, Infallible teaching of the Trent and also Formal teaching of the Catholic Church, no one can lose salvation who has God special efficacious grace of His Gift of Final Perseverance and no one can be saved who has not received it.

Without the special help of God the justified cannot persevere to the end in justification. ( De fide. )

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IS OUR FATE REALLY IN GOD?

For Augustine says (De Civ. Dei v, 1) that the Divine will or power is called fate.

But the Divine will or power is not in creatures, but in God.
Therefore fate is not in creatures but in God.
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The Divine will is cause of all things that happen, as Augustine says (De Trin. iii, 1 seqq.). Therefore all things are subject to fate.

The same is true for events in our lives. Relative to us they often appear to be by chance.
But relative to God, who directs everything according to his divine plan, nothing occurs by chance.

Hence if this divine influence stopped, every operation would stop.
Every operation, therefore, of anything is traced back to Him as its cause. (Summa Contra Gentiles, Book III.)

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Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott,

Fallen man cannot redeem himself. ( De fide. )

For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary. ( De fide. )

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Ezekiel 36:26-27; I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
And I will put my Spirit in you and I cause you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
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As we see above, two wholly gratuitous, entirely unmerited gifts of God determines our fates which is in God, (Acts 13:48; John 15:16) His choice of our appointed eternal life in heaven and the other is, His special efficacious grace of His Gift of Final Perseverance, of course these two special efficacious graces are inseparable, they always goes together.
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As we see Vico, God’s duty of care is to CAUSE us to follow His decrees and to be careful to keep His laws and we always FREELY and LOVINGLY cooperate, at the end this will be the case of everyone.
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God bless

 

[Latin]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

It is true, the unjust, idolaters, drunkards, etc. not inherit the Kingdom of God.
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This is the way God PREPARES/ CAUSES the unjust, idolaters, drunkards, etc. to say YES to His gift of salvation.
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Let’s see the message of the next verse of 1 Cor.6:9-10;

1 Cor.6:11; And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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Ezekiel 36:26-27; I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
And I will put my Spirit in you and I cause you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
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The three Divine or Theological Virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity are infused with Sanctifying grace. (De fide.)

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CCCS 1990-1991; "Justification is God’s free gift which detaches man from enslavement to sin and reconciles him to God.

Justification is also our acceptance of God’s righteousness. In this gift, faith, hope, charity, and OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WILL are given to us.
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CCCS 1996-1998; Justification comes from grace (God’s free and undeserved help) and is given to us to respond to his call.

This call to eternal life is supernatural, coming TOTALLY from God’s decision and surpassing ALL power of human intellect and will.”
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Acts 13:48; … as many as had been appointed for eternal life believed. – Not even one former unjust, idolaters, drunkards, etc. said no to God’s salvation.

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John 6:44; No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.

While St. Thomas says that man turns to God by his own free will, he explains that free-will can only be turn to God, when God turns it.

John 15:16; You did not chose Me, but I chose you.

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Without the special help of God the justified cannot persevere to the end in justification. (De fide.)

301 With creation, God does not abandon his creatures to themselves. He not only gives them being and existence, but also, and at every moment, upholds and sustains them in being, enables them to act and brings them to their final end.
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As we see above, the provision of our gift salvation and the protection of our salvation by His gift of Final perseverance which is an INFALLIBLE PROTECTION of our salvation, parts of God’s DUTY OF CARE.
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God bless

 

[sudy]

Thanks for your reply. I don’t have a lot of time so this I’ll be brief.

It is true,
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God bless

I actually agree with all of this… though I believe we may be reading certain parts differently. I’m getting the impression that you believe that all will ultimately be saved… and, if this is the case, this is where we do disagree. It also doesn’t accord with Catholic teaching.

All who have been appointed to eternal life and believe will certainly attain eternal life… I’m not disputing this

John 8:47

Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God

… but this isn’t the same as saying that all people are appointed to eternal life. Man can reject God’s gifts of grace.

Without a change of heart and faithfulness to God’s will, we are nothing. If we are lukewarm, even… we are still nothing.

1. God is the infinitely good and merciful Father. But man, called to respond to him freely, can unfortunately choose to reject his love and forgiveness once and for all, thus separating himself for ever from joyful communion with him. It is precisely this tragic situation that Christian doctrine explains when it speaks of eternal damnation or hell. It is not a punishment imposed externally by God but a development of premises already set by people in this life. The very dimension of unhappiness which this obscure condition brings can in a certain way be sensed in the light of some of the terrible experiences we have suffered which, as is commonly said, make life “hell”.

In a theological sense however, hell is something else: it is the ultimate consequence of sin itself, which turns against the person who committed it. It is the state of those who definitively reject the Father’s mercy, even at the last moment of their life.

source: 28 July 1999 | John Paul II

All are called, but not all will be saved. To declare otherwise would be against hope. With hope we can neither presume not despair, unless, of course, your salvation has been divinely revealed to you.

God bless you, too.

 

[Vico]

Vico:

So you cannot truthfully say that no one self-excludes.

Let’s put into context what I said.

This is what I said:
Acts 13:48; … as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. - NO ONE self-excluded.

We know, according to Catholic Soteriology; everyone who are appointed to eternal life (Acts 13:48), they are all predestined to heaven from all eternity, at their baptism/ initial justification, they all received/s God special efficacious grace of His Gift of Final Perseverance, which is an INFALLIBLE protection of their salvation. …

However, we cannot say certainly that everyone is predestined to heaven from all eternity.

As was posted before a person either goes to heaven or hell at the immediate judgment, Go to Hell - Stay there forever - #507 by Latin

It is not Catholic teaching that all certainly are saved by grace (it may be sufficient, remaining inefficacious, or even original sin remaining). You quote Ott, note that the other dogmatic statement he listed in Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma on the topic include:

• God gives all the just sufficient grace ( gratia proxime vel remote sufficiens ) for the observation of the Divine Commandments.
• God, by His Eternal Resolve of Will, has predetermined certain men to eternal blessedness.
• God, by an Eternal Resolve of His Will, predestines certain men, on account of their foreseen sins, to eternal rejection.
• The Human Will remains free under the influence of efficacious grace, which is not irresistible.
• There is a grace which is truly sufficient and yet remains inefficacious ( gratia vere et mere sufficiens ).

 

[Latin]

God gives all the just sufficient grace ( gratia proxime vel remote sufficiens ) for the observation of the Divine Commandments.

THE MYSTERY OF PREDESTINATION by John Salza

“Sufficient grace remains an interior impulse, whereas an efficacious grace produces an exterior act.

With efficacious grace, man is able to resist the grace but does not, because the grace causes him to freely choose the good.

This means that when God wills a person to perform a salutary act (e.g., prayer, good works), He grants him the means (an efficacious grace) that infallibly produces the end (the act willed by God).

If God wills to permit a person to resist His grace, He grants him a sufficient, and not an efficacious, grace.

FOR EXAMPLE
John Salza, Page 113: However, the Church teaches that God infused Adam with sufficient grace to resist temptation and to perform his duties with charity.
God, however, willed to permit Adam to reject His grace and to sin.

The distinctions between these graces reveal that God is responsible for man’s salvation."

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THE TEACHINGS OF FR. MOST ON SUFFICIENT AND EFFICACIOUS GRACES

John Salza, Page 121; Fr. Most identifies the metaphysical issue as follows:

“Sufficient grace gives man the potency to do good, but do not give the application.

For the application efficacious grace is required to move him from potency to act.

Therefore, sufficient grace is insufficient to move him to act.”

As we see above, Fr. Most is agree with John Salza, The distinctions between these graces reveal that God is responsible for man’s salvation.

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The Father William Most Collection: St Thomas on Actual Grace

“There are two kinds of actual graces, sufficient and efficacious.

If God sends a sufficient grace, it gives the full and complete power to do something good; but it is infallibly certain we will not do good, but will sin.

If He sends an efficacious grace, it is infallibly sure we will do good.

At first sight this seems folly. Yet it is not entirely so: the efficacious grace is the application of the sufficient grace.”

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A TIPTOE THROUGH TULIP James Akin

“While the grace is provided is sufficient to pay for the sins of all man, this grace is not made efficacious (put into effect) in the case of everyone.

One may say that although the sufficiency of the atonement is not limited, its efficiency is limited.

This is something everyone who believes in hell must acknowledge because, if the atonement was made efficacious for everyone, then no one would end up in hell. – Something to think about.”
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As we see above James Akin is agree with John Salza: The distinctions between these graces reveal that God is responsible for man’s salvation.
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God bless

 

[Latin]

I’m getting the impression that you believe that all will ultimately be saved.

Yes I believe that all will ultimately saved.

I use to be a protestant and I also believed many people will end up in hell.

Four years ago I started my RCIA study, the teachers taught universal salvation, I did not believe their teachings, of course I acted as an RCIA student should act.

After in my area a Catholic Priest started a weekly seminar, taught universal salvation.

Of course I didn’t participate, but I started to study Catholic Soteriology for the reason to tell the Priest that he is teaching heresy.

While I study I realized, the RCIA teachers did not teach heresy, we cannot save ourselves, it is God’s responsibility to save all of us and God saves all of us.

If I still would be protestant, I still would believe many people would end up in hell.

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THE POSITION THAT GOD AT THE END WILL SAVES EVERYONE IS NOT NEW

The teaching of universal salvation of the human race has become very popular in the modern Roman Catholic Church and more and more Catholic Priests and theologians teaching Universal Salvation of the human race.
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I believe Pope Francis also agree with the teachings of universal salvation of the human race because he is the one who replaced Cardinal Gerhard Müller who was the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith until 02/07/2017, with Archbishop Luis F. Ladaria, Jesuit theologian who is openly teaching the Universal Salvation of the human race since many years.
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In my opinion:
If Pope Francis would not agree with the teachings of Universal Salvation of the human race, he would not replace Cardinal Gerhard Müller with Archbishop Luis F. Ladaria, Jesuit theologian who is openly teaching Universal Salvation of the human race since many years.
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Archbishop Ladaria has been secretary, the second in command, of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith since 2008 until 02/07/2017 and from this date on Pope Francis appointed Ladaria SJ. to the position of the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

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The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the Catholic Church was founded to defend the church from heresy; today, it is the body responsible for promulgating and defending Catholic doctrine.

Formerly known as the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition.
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The Universal salvation of the human race is NOT HERESY, in fact (1058) the whole Catholic Church is praying for the Universal Salvation of the human race.

We all should believe what we are praying for.
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God bless

 

[sudy]

I agree that we do not save ourselves. It is God who saves us.

All are called, but not all will be saved.

I should have said ‘All are called, but we cannot say that all will be saved’, as we cannot know who will be drawn to God at the end of life.

CCC 2091 The first commandment is also concerned with sins against hope, namely, despair and presumption […]

CCC 2092 There are two kinds of presumption. Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes upon God’s almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit).

We may dare to hope that all may be saved, and we should pray for this… but we cannot say it with any certainty. With God all things are possible, but we have to abide by the authority given to the Church by Christ. We have to allow for His justice as well as His mercy, after all it’s impossible to deny that Christ taught on hell and its eternal punishment, and Scripture also speaks of a second death, so this should not be taken lightly. Teaching universal salvation is potentially doing a disservice to God as it would also create complacency. If people didn’t need to align their will with the will of God because they’re guaranteed salvation, who would strive for holiness? We sinners wouldn’t even attempt to turn away from the pleasures of sin if we were guaranteed salvation, because pleasure is instant gratification. We’d be like those in Sodom and Gomorrah. Sin begets sin.

It’s possible that you misunderstood your teachers, or perhaps they just don’t understand… they may have intended to stress that God is more merciful than we can even understand, after all ‘mercy triumphs over judgement’… but that doesn’t replace or supercede the meaning of the earlier part of that verse ‘for judgement is merciless to one who has not shown mercy’. It’s important to teach that God is incredibly merciful… he is willing to repair our souls from the most grievous of sins and he offers us every grace to attain salvation… but we understand this is until death. As Pope Saint John Paul II wrote about hell… it is a real possibility. This is the view of the Church.

CCC 1821 We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and do his will.92 In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere "to the end"93 and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God’s eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ. In hope, the Church prays for “all men to be saved.” 94 She longs to be united with Christ, her Bridegroom, in the glory of heaven:

Hope, O my soul, hope. You know neither the day nor the hour. Watch carefully, for everything passes quickly, even though your impatience makes doubtful what is certain, and turns a very short time into a long one. Dream that the more you struggle, the more you prove the love that you bear your God, and the more you will rejoice one day with your Beloved, in a happiness and rapture that can never end.95

God bless